CMR Sick Calls Xmas Day

[Fly4PayNoMore]

The problem is that seniority is the ONLY thing that is rewarded. There are ways rewarding employees for their years of service, also allowing for a decent quality of life for those in the lower ranks. I did not say that shorter lived employees were entitled to every holiday off.

ALPA has created huge disparities in compensation and work rules, making pilots their own worst enemies when it comes to negotiations. A junior pilot should have to pay their dues, but the disparity can be huge. I hear so much thrashing on new hire pilots in the industry here because they has SJS. Those guys are trying to pay their dues, so they can sit in the flight deck of a mainline aircraft someday; making better money with a better quality of life. The guys who are at the majors are pissed off because of them, yet they had to fly something smaller, at a pittance for wages, to get there as well. ALPA's system has failed airline pilots at all levels. They gave too much to the guys at the top, left hardly any scraps at the bottom, which has allowed the companies to play the groups against each other. Mass sickouts are not going to help your cause.

 

[acarpe3448]

Wow, It's sad to admit it but I'm really starting to enjoy your posts. Maybe its that I can actually visualize you coming home from work at the Walmart and catching the Comair guy diddleing your wife. Let me guess, you just haven't felt like a man since then? Its OK, Not many guys can feel manly when compared to a regional pilot. I think there are support groups for guys like you....

Thats right, I just don't feel like a man compared to a commuter pilot like you! Girls just dig those puddle jumpers you fly around in! I heard this fat cow of a woman talking the other day about how emberased she is that her boyfriend flies the little planes! That must have been you she was talking about! Now move your little bug smasher out of my way!

COMAIR PILOTS ARE HISTORY! HAHAHAHA

 

[embdrvr]

Actually a lot of people travel on Xmas because the flights beforehand are sold out. Also you have a lot of revenue standby pax due to overbooking. The brain trust at all legacy airline HQ's thinks that their revenue management calculations are accurate even around the holidays when it's mostly leisure travellers who invariably show up in greater percentages than business travellers.

Overbooking should be outlawed as a form of fraud but that's a topic for another thread.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Thanks guys, your opinions are so highly valued (at least egocentrically). Value and correctness are obviously two different constructs in this case; at least you tried to build a coalition--gotta give you that.

Nighttrain (FWIW): I went into the military during the drawdown in 1993, never to flight training and was non-rated ops for 7 1/2 yrs (13BX & 86PX)--no regrets (thanks for your service indeed); yup, bought 73-type and consider it an investment; lectures are for people who want to learn--obviously not aimed at nitwits like yourself.

WSurf: I suggest you reread it--you might learn something. I don't know who heard it, but as far as I can tell, it's written not oral. Those who don't want to read it, can stop. Please let me know what you think rational is...(I'd be curious to see if you have a mind of your own, or just spout off).

 

[172driver]

Those passengers you left stranded because you didn't feel like working pay your salary. Without them, you don't have your job.

Maybe the people who called in sick don't care if they have their job or not. Many of them either have or will soon have other jobs. Don't know about other companies, but Comair will not pay out unused sick time. That policy alone ensured my illness.

 

[doh]

I wouldn't celebrate a lack of integrity; how many of those were really sick?

..l.. u uke: And I notice you didn't post the ethics letter over on the MAIR letter is unenforcable thread. What, only the pilots have a lack of ethics? Look at what management is doing. Leadership is partly defineing ethics for the workforce by your actions. The management teams at these airlines have given a definition that selfishness and greed are absolutely the highest calling of us all. When the pilots follow the management leaderships example, guys like you are always there to apologise for management and demonize pilots. Sick!

 

[doh]

Typical Comair BS! These clowns are the biggest idiots I have ever seen! WOW what a man it takes to call in sick! I am impressed. All these DI$KS have done is to ensure more of their flying is moved to Skywest. Comair is unreliable, uncomfortable, nausiating experience. I look forward to this third class airline out for good!

Up yours doosch! To want to put people who had nothing to do with this alledged sick out is typical for jerks like you.:uzi:

 

[doh]

Actually a lot of people travel on Xmas because the flights beforehand are sold out. Also you have a lot of revenue standby pax due to overbooking. The brain trust at all legacy airline HQ's thinks that their revenue management calculations are accurate even around the holidays when it's mostly leisure travellers who invariably show up in greater percentages than business travellers.

Overbooking should be outlawed as a form of fraud but that's a topic for another thread.

If you take away overbooking, then you have to take away refunds for no shows. no matter what the circumstances. Oh yeah, you have to pay in advance too. That ain't gonna happen in your life time.

 

[doh]

Maybe the people who called in sick don't care if they have their job or not. Many of them either have or will soon have other jobs. Don't know about other companies, but Comair will not pay out unused sick time. That policy alone ensured my illness.

When you make it clear, as Delta has, that you are dismantleing a company, that is exactly what happens. Excellent post!:beer:

 

[doh]

Thanks guys, your opinions are so highly valued (at least egocentrically). Value and correctness are obviously two different constructs in this case; at least you tried to build a coalition--gotta give you that.

Nighttrain (FWIW): I went into the military during the drawdown in 1993, never to flight training and was non-rated ops for 7 1/2 yrs (13BX & 86PX)--no regrets (thanks for your service indeed); yup, bought 73-type and consider it an investment; lectures are for people who want to learn--obviously not aimed at nitwits like yourself.

WSurf: I suggest you reread it--you might learn something. I don't know who heard it, but as far as I can tell, it's written not oral. Those who don't want to read it, can stop. Please let me know what you think rational is...(I'd be curious to see if you have a mind of your own, or just spout off).

Maybe you should walk a mile in the Comair pilot's shoe. Then you could stfu.

 

[DrewBlows]

There was no "organized sick-out" at Comair. Apparently enough people decided that the motivation to call in sick was greater than the motivation to go to work. I can't say that I blame them, Comair's Christmas bonus was a Honey Baked ham and an imposed contract. Sure the ham was good, but it wasn't worth $10,000 a year for the next five years.

 

[spinproof]

Apparently its getting someones attention:

"Per Jim Murry, any pilot that calls in sick needs to speak to chief
Pilot Steve Briner.

For example:

CA Murry calls in sick, you mark him sick and then tell the pilot that
"I have been instructed to send all sick calls to the chief pilot". Then
transfer the call to Steve Briners cell phone at 859-xxx-xxxx.

If you have any questions please ask. I'll advise as soon as we can
stop this process."


I don't think this will help!!!!!!

 

[homerjdispatch]

Thanks guys, your opinions are so highly valued (at least egocentrically). Value and correctness are obviously two different constructs in this case; at least you tried to build a coalition--gotta give you that.

Nighttrain (FWIW): I went into the military during the drawdown in 1993, never to flight training and was non-rated ops for 7 1/2 yrs (13BX & 86PX)--no regrets (thanks for your service indeed); yup, bought 73-type and consider it an investment; lectures are for people who want to learn--obviously not aimed at nitwits like yourself.

WSurf: I suggest you reread it--you might learn something. I don't know who heard it, but as far as I can tell, it's written not oral. Those who don't want to read it, can stop. Please let me know what you think rational is...(I'd be curious to see if you have a mind of your own, or just spout off).

SKYWRJGUY: I agree with your posts. (just thought you needed someone on your side, LOL)

 

[saabservant]

The problem is that seniority is the ONLY thing that is rewarded. There are ways rewarding employees for their years of service, also allowing for a decent quality of life for those in the lower ranks. I did not say that shorter lived employees were entitled to every holiday off.

ALPA has created huge disparities in compensation and work rules, making pilots their own worst enemies when it comes to negotiations. A junior pilot should have to pay their dues, but the disparity can be huge. I hear so much thrashing on new hire pilots in the industry here because they has SJS. Those guys are trying to pay their dues, so they can sit in the flight deck of a mainline aircraft someday; making better money with a better quality of life. The guys who are at the majors are pissed off because of them, yet they had to fly something smaller, at a pittance for wages, to get there as well. ALPA's system has failed airline pilots at all levels. They gave too much to the guys at the top, left hardly any scraps at the bottom, which has allowed the companies to play the groups against each other. Mass sickouts are not going to help your cause.

This is completely correct,and until ALPA becomes a true trade union, and not an every MEC for itself loose association will things improve.
Calling in sick is ok, though, when your company screws you in court, takes your pay and rules, and puts the money in their own pockets, and then denies any holidays off. Pilots have families, too, and the passengers/customers? They don't care about us, either. Yeah, they pay for salaries, but who pays for all the holidays and family events missed?
Bottom line, it is MANAGEMENTS responsibility to provide for customer service, and employee morale.
Take care of your employees, and they will take care of business.
Abuse and antagonize them, and expect the results...

 

[doh]

SKYWRJGUY: I agree with your posts. (just thought you needed someone on your side, LOL)

I don't necessarily disagree with the uncompromising ethics crowd, but when do you ever see these guys make a post about the ever more compromising ethics on the other side of bargaining table? Never, that's when. Eventually, if the leadership constantly says unethical behavior is not just okay, but the best choice, the workforce will follow their example. That is what's happening at these outfits that are now weaseling out of the "binding contracts" that they signed. Again I say "sick"!

 

[Ben Dover]

Lets break this down to it's simplest form. Communication.

Companies don't communicate with the English language. They speak the language called "MONEY."

SKYWRJGUY, I don't fault you for your noble intentions at integrity. However it's naive to think you can use the English language when communicating to your employer, particularly if your employer is an airline. The only language they understand is MONEY.

Verbs, nouns, adjectives may stream through the air, and managers nod their heads as if they hear. But it is all in vain and a waste of your breathe.

Now as far as integrity goes. It's a matter of integrity to provide for yourself and your family. If a company won't listen to English, it's your responsibility to communicate with them in THEIR chosen language.

 

[doh]

Lets break this down to it's simplest form. Communication.

Companies don't communicate with the English language. They speak the language called "MONEY."

SKYWRJGUY, I don't fault you for your noble intentions at integrity. However it's naive to think you can use the English language when communicating to your employer, particularly if your employer is an airline. The only language they understand is MONEY.

Verbs, nouns, adjectives may stream through the air, and managers nod their heads as if they hear. But it is all in vain and a waste of your breathe.

Now as far as integrity goes. It's a matter of integrity to provide for yourself and your family. If a company won't listen to English, it's your responsibility to communicate with them in THEIR chosen language.

Well said! I love you... er... like a brother. Big guy! :laugh:

 

[172driver]

"Per Jim Murry, any pilot that calls in sick needs to speak to chief
Pilot Steve Briner.

For example:

CA Murry calls in sick, you mark him sick and then tell the pilot that
"I have been instructed to send all sick calls to the chief pilot". Then
transfer the call to Steve Briners cell phone at 859-xxx-xxxx.

They tried to do this to me on New Years Eve. I hung up. I fulfilled my obligation by telling the scheduler I was sick. If Steve wants to talk to me, he can do it next time I come to work.

 

[Buddro]

Apparently its getting someones attention:

"Per Jim Murry, any pilot that calls in sick needs to speak to chief
Pilot Steve Briner.

For example:

CA Murry calls in sick, you mark him sick and then tell the pilot that
"I have been instructed to send all sick calls to the chief pilot". Then
transfer the call to Steve Briners cell phone at 859-xxx-xxxx.

If you have any questions please ask. I'll advise as soon as we can
stop this process."


I don't think this will help!!!!!!

Pretty simply way around this issue. If I still worked there and they told me this, my response is fine mark me out and transfer me. Once phone rings, HANGUP!!!! There is no requirement to talk to the CP in the contract therefore why should I put myself into harms way. My child is sick or my eye hurts is a good excuse. Remember from the days of learning to fly....FAA says you should not fly if you suffer from the following:

I - Illness
M - Medication
S - Stress
A - Anxious
F - Fatigued
E - (forgot what it is)

POINT IS, you know dam* well there is no recourse for the pilots who call in sick. I say prove I was abusing it, I'll say I suffer from ANAL GLAUCOMA.

I cannot see my A$$ COMING IN TO WORK!!!

Stand strong Comair brothers and sisters. I'm pulling for you.

 

[plunger]

Pretty simply way around this issue. If I still worked there and they told me this, my response is fine mark me out and transfer me. Once phone rings, HANGUP!!!! There is no requirement to talk to the CP in the contract therefore why should I put myself into harms way. My child is sick or my eye hurts is a good excuse. Remember from the days of learning to fly....FAA says you should not fly if you suffer from the following:

I - Illness
M - Medication
S - Stress
A - Anxious
F - Fatigued
E - (forgot what it is)

POINT IS, you know dam* well there is no recourse for the pilots who call in sick. I say prove I was abusing it, I'll say I suffer from ANAL GLAUCOMA.

I cannot see my A$$ COMING IN TO WORK!!!

Stand strong Comair brothers and sisters. I'm pulling for you.

E- Eating, (Meaning how is your diet). I know it's driving you crazy. Happy New Year!

 

[XJohXJ]

Yeah, I did my initial training in good ol' California, and they taught that the E meant Eating/Emotion, like you shouldn't fly when you are hungry ---or---overly upset. So, in that case, I think that management dishonestly/lack of ethics/overt greed perfectly result in an increase in sick calls.