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Possible Litigation on PSA property for Left Seats.

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LandRoverNut

LandRoverNut

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The situation at PSA is complicated and hard to predict. There is a movement now to litigate the CEL pilots that are taking upgrade from our poor beat up F/Os. These CEL guys are on the property because of a legal maneuver that USAirways MEC agreed to and COULD BE in violation of the current CBA an current LOA's.
To learn more please go to http://groups.msn.com/PSARJCoalition and sign up with your name and affiliaction so they can keep track of who is joining.Your screen name can be annonomuse but the web master must know your identification.
 
LandRoverNut said:
The situation at PSA is complicated and hard to predict. There is a movement now to litigate the CEL pilots that are taking upgrade from our poor beat up F/Os. These CEL guys are on the property because of a legal maneuver that USAirways MEC agreed to and COULD BE in violation of the current CBA an current LOA's.
To learn more please go to http://groups.msn.com/PSARJCoalition and sign up with your name and affiliaction so they can keep track of who is joining.Your screen name can be annonomuse but the web master must know your identification.
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annonomuse?

Ok, I can't spell either but that is just heynnaus.
 
New LOA's posted, flow thru has been discussed for 12 yrs. We still don't have it! We need flow thru in writting soon or we should all find greener pastures!
 
New LOA's posted
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We have new LOA"S?
What concessions did we take now?

and...

Wasn't the "Enhanced" crew meals great this Christmas?
Maybe fresh bread was the enhanced part.
 
LandRoverNut said:
New LOA's posted, flow thru has been discussed for 12 yrs. We still don't have it! We need flow thru in writting soon or we should all find greener pastures!
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Why would this be the impetus for people moving on when the pilot group there has been routinely taking it in the pooper for so long? Greener pastures are something that people talk about a lot and never take the chance to jump in to. I've listened to so much complaining from both inside and outside PSA(and other places, of course) and I just don't get it. This is your real life, you know, the only one. How long should you wait until you're happy with your job? 25 years old, 30, 35, 40....?

You'll spend, what, 300 hours a month away from your home, wife, kids? And all for a job that hates you when you're there and most likely pays you near poverty-level wages for your sacrifices. Why don't people take this more seriously!?

Break.....

What's F.O. attrition like right now?
 
BenderGonzales said:
Forget the flowthrough! Merge the lists! Anybody know what January 1999 date-of-hire would get me at PSA?
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BG,

A 1999 doh at PSA would get you a cup of Starbucks and foot rub at most respectable hub airports. Freekin' royalty!

Crzi....exactly! WO's and their expectations are some of the best comedy this side of Borat, Steve Martin, and Ben Stiller.
 
LandRoverNut said:
The situation at PSA is complicated and hard to predict. There is a movement now to litigate the CEL pilots that are taking upgrade from our poor beat up F/Os. These CEL guys are on the property because of a legal maneuver that USAirways MEC agreed to and COULD BE in violation of the current CBA an current LOA's.
To learn more please go to http://groups.msn.com/PSARJCoalition and sign up with your name and affiliaction so they can keep track of who is joining.Your screen name can be annonomuse but the web master must know your identification.
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Pay attention to the Title .... "Possible litigation..."

Not likely....

T8
 
T8 , You fly the 190? That is a great airplane with top of the line avionics. How's Jet Blue treating you?
 
5 more in JAN class, with 38-40 more on the list waiting to come as the J4J's leave!
 
PSA signed J4J. Sounds like sour grapes to me. I wonder how many of those that are gripping were even employed when all of this J4J stuff went down?

Even if it was 50... A small price to pay for a long term career at mainline.
 
Who cares if everyone keeps flying around for 600 miles at 18,000 feet at 340 knots houck will have nothing more to micro manage in the future anyways, what a joke of a company. And scheduling is worried about a 50 cent crew meal instead of 2000 pounds of fuel, go figure. Pissing match to the bottom
 
LandRoverNut said:
5 more in JAN class, with 38-40 more on the list waiting to come as the J4J's leave!
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I don't think so. There are about 6 CEL guys at PSA as capts. The 5 that I know were all hired in 1999 at ALG - thats senior to any FO on the PSA properity - so what are they bitchin about?

Second the next 2 or 3 bids at Republic for j4j capt slots will finish up the APL list. Thus because there are positions at republic for j4j capts I don't think anyone else will bid PSA.
 
d328pilot said:
why not likely? you sued to get a mainline number so why can't we?
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Not so, 328. There was never a suit to get a mainline number. Whatever or whoever is feeding you info, or if you came up with this on your own, it is faulty information.

T8
 
LowlyPropCapt said:
Even if it was 50... A small price to pay for a long term career at mainline.
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We don't have a flow, how are we to get a long term career at mainline? The s#$t sandwich would go down a little easier if we at PSA had a mainline number as well but we don't and it doesn't look like we are ever going to.
 
Skydork said, "how are we to get a long term career at mainline?"

Well heck, i've been furloughed since 02. If you figure out the answer to that question, let me know.

You guys should have told them heck-no to J4J. (sarcasm) Then you could've just gone to MYR and faded away with the Dorniers.

Leave the CEL guys alone. They took a gamble and, as a result, were "rewarded" with USAir seniority numbers. They are USAir pilots (furloughees) with all of the rights, privileges, and KY Jelly that goes along with that position.
 
When we signed the J4J deal, the understanding was that a CEL pilot that goes to MDA and is furloughed, goes back to their previous carrier. That what it specifically says in the LOA and what was discussed prior to ratification. This is not the agreement that was ratified here..its an adulterated POS that the mainline MEC has decided to change on their own.

Haber himself told me that he represented the CEL guy in a DFR lawsuit. I was told by an AAA MEC member that the threat of lawsuit was one of the reasons the CEL guys were given seniority numbers. To show that they actually cared....

A long term career at mainline??? Now they say we dont have a flowthrough and we are not even special enough to speak to the Mainline MEC. There are very few here that want to work at mainline. Most want to get as far away as possible.

I dont care what their DOH at PDT or ALG was. The CEL guys that are here are pieces of sh*t.
 

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