GO!! Mesa

[CX880]

Hey Aloha just posted a 10mil 3rd Quarter loss.

 

[WSurf]

Along with a bunch of airlines!! Your Point?

 

[CX880]

If Aloha's losing, who's winning?

 

[mdanno808]

Not Go!, if that's what your implying.

 

[CX880]

Well, there can't be two losers.

 

[minarcia]

Well, there can't be two losers.

So, you're the only one?

 

[9rj9]

haaaa

nice......

 

[waverider]

Go! ....can shove it

 

[CX880]

So, you're the only one?

Denver sucks ass

 

[CX880]

Go! ....can shove it

Tell that to the Hawaiian people, they don't seem to think so.

 

[waverider]

Denver sucks ass

uh, yeah, right....and what are you trying to do by starting this Go!! thread?

It seems like you are really wanting to suck some JO d!*K uke:

 

[Dan Roman]

Actually Go is NOT very popular here in Hawaii. They have lost millions and they have had a steadily declining load factor. Some folks do like them, but a surprising amount don't.

 

[Cloudroller]

If go is not so popular, has a declining load factor, and is loosing millions, then why do the Island Air & Aloha guys care about go being in Hawaii?

 

[WSurf]

Well, there can't be two losers.

Your right! But out of those two MESA will always be the Loser Airline!! It should be branded on all there employees foreheads!!

So now all you Mesa folks believe JO about how he can't give you folks raises and a better contract because he doesn't have the money? Yet he can go over to Hawaii and loss big time money, while you poor saps fly around in a 90 seat RJ for less then 20k a year!!!!

 

[dooork]

All while PDT is flying 50 seaters for $10.00 HR less than MESA!!!
Your CEO is real nice to ya'all

 

[sflax]

If you actually did a little reading beyond the free USA Today, you would note that Mesa missed earnings by 14 cents, Raymond James, Lynch and three other street firms downed graded the stock and cut earnings for next quarter. Mesa moved alot of the loses from GO to its mainland operations, they are losing their shirts in JFK with the Dash-8s. Also none of this is the pilots faults, it is managements. 800 pilots have come and gone in the last 18 months, 1500 FA's in the same time period.

WSurf, mesa pilots are not believing that there is no money for raises and QOL, so get off the subject, you don't know sh*t.

 

[Soverytired]

Actually Go is NOT very popular here in Hawaii. They have lost millions and they have had a steadily declining load factor. Some folks do like them, but a surprising amount don't.

Actually, Aloha is NOT very popular here in Hawaii. They have lost millions and have had a steadily declining load factor. Some folks do like them, but a surprising amount don't.




(kidding, couldn't resist. Go=I don't care)

 

[OPECJet]

How's the trip / duty rigs over there at Mesa? What about block or better pay? Commuter clause? 401K? JR Manning?

 

[OPECJet]

If you actually did a little reading beyond the free USA Today, you would note that Mesa missed earnings by 14 cents, Raymond James, Lynch and three other street firms downed graded the stock and cut earnings for next quarter. Mesa moved alot of the loses from GO to its mainland operations, they are losing their shirts in JFK with the Dash-8s. Also none of this is the pilots faults, it is managements. 800 pilots have come and gone in the last 18 months, 1500 FA's in the same time period.

WSurf, mesa pilots are not believing that there is no money for raises and QOL, so get off the subject, you don't know sh*t.

I don't want to speak for Brother Surf, but I think you missed his point.

By posting losses for Blo! and the Dashes in JFK, it can be the card that Johnny Windbag needs in his hand to keep the new contract "in check". Or at least what he thinks he needs to keep you guys down.

 

[dkwid]

If go is not so popular, has a declining load factor, and is loosing millions, then why do the Island Air & Aloha guys care about go being in Hawaii?

I rarely lash out like this...........BUT.....Are you truly as stupid as your post above implies?

The reason Aloha and Hawaiin employees are so upset is becouse Mesa is trashing the market. They, Mesa, are losing millions a month with low fares in order to drive Aloha and Hawaiin into the toilet. It will be a sad, sad day if Mesa succeeds. Obviously this is not directed toward the employees of Mesa but the management are the types that give capitalism a bad name. However, if you are siding with this pathetic venture by Mesa management than quite frnakly you are just another thorn in the industry adn the rest of us would prefer you wre not here attempting to drag us to the bottom.

 

[dooork]

How's the trip / duty rigs over there at Mesa? What about block or better pay? Commuter clause? 401K? JR Manning?

Hows your number of dwindling DHC-8, bases,and general QOL over there?

 

[Dan Roman]

I rarely lash out like this...........BUT.....Are you truly as stupid as your post above implies?

The reason Aloha and Hawaiin employees are so upset is becouse Mesa is trashing the market. They, Mesa, are losing millions a month with low fares in order to drive Aloha and Hawaiin into the toilet. It will be a sad, sad day if Mesa succeeds. Obviously this is not directed toward the employees of Mesa but the management are the types that give capitalism a bad name. However, if you are siding with this pathetic venture by Mesa management than quite frnakly you are just another thorn in the industry adn the rest of us would prefer you wre not here attempting to drag us to the bottom.

You are correct, I was thinking of replying but you hit the nail on the head.

For the record, AQ and GO are losing money. Hawaiian is not (13 mil operating profit 3rd qtr) So I guess you could say Hawaiian is "winning" for those of you who need to keep score. The fact is anything can happen and Hawaiian is doing fine for now (but than so was Pan Am in the 60's Braniff in the 70's and UAL in the 90's so it's nothing to feel to secure about).
But Mesa will be spending a lot of money in legal fees do to their predatory and illegal business tactics (as confirmed by the Judges comments in court). You never know but it looks highly likely they will be paying out millions to HAL and AQ. The judge in the case has already confirmed what they did was wrong, so this will get interesting.

 

[mdanno808]

If go is not so popular, has a declining load factor, and is loosing millions, then why do the Island Air & Aloha guys care about go being in Hawaii?

Because OJ is trying to drive the local airlines out of business. Company email spelled out his intentions prior to Go! ever entering the Hawaiian skies.

 

[Simple Man]

Are the Mesa pilots on the GO! side junior? Are they based in PHNL or the outstations?

HI is an expensive place... it must be hard to survive on Mesa's grandiose pay scales.

 

[Dan Roman]

Because OJ is trying to drive the local airlines out of business. Company email spelled out his intentions prior to Go! ever entering the Hawaiian skies.

Just to add to what Danno is saying. HAL and AQ were flying inter-island and charging reasonable prices (on par with what SWA charges for a similar distance). OJ came over here and is operating at a loss and says he can afford to for years (of course he says he can't afford to give his employee's a decent wage though). He has misled the traveling public over here and has said so many things that are not true it's ridiculous. He is NOT doing the state of Hawaii and it's citizens any good. He is harming the long term viability of inter-island flying and he is spending millions of his companies money doing so.

 

[WSurf]

Hows your number of dwindling DHC-8, bases,and general QOL over there?

Yes! A true industry TOOL!! Atleast I can wear my ID proudly!! Funny thing is, that after you factor in our work rules! Block or Better, CX pay, Min. Day, etc,etc! Our FO's on a 37 seat Dash 8 make more money then the MESA FO's on the CRJ-900's!!!
Jeez, I even think when you factor in our FA's work rules, they top out FO's at Mesa!! ;-)

 

[Hikoushi]

....and QOL is through the roof compared to the Mesa disease. Home every night, surf every day, planes on the ground by 8. No campouts. Reserve pay sucks, but with a waterproof case for your cellphone, you are basically getting paid to surf. Fcuk Mesa. Go home.

 

[CX880]

Obviously this is not directed toward the employees of Mesa but the management are the types that give capitalism a bad name. However, if you are siding with this pathetic venture by Mesa management than quite frnakly you are just another thorn in the industry adn the rest of us would prefer you wre not here attempting to drag us to the bottom.

Are you suggesting that companies should look out for the harm that they will do to the employees of competing companies? Doesn't make any sense. Hawaiian and Aloha should focus on ways of bringing in the customers instead of engaging Mesa in meaningless lawsuits in a desperate attempt to flush them out legally, it just makes them look worse to people who care enough to see what's going on. If Hawaiian and Aloha fail then the system of a capitalist economy has prevailed. If you don't like that move to North Korea.

 

[rtmcfi]

Are you suggesting that companies should look out for the harm that they will do to the employees of competing companies? Doesn't make any sense. Hawaiian and Aloha should focus on ways of bringing in the customers instead of engaging Mesa in meaningless lawsuits in a desperate attempt to flush them out legally, it just makes them look worse to people who care enough to see what's going on. If Hawaiian and Aloha fail then the system of a capitalist economy has prevailed. If you don't like that move to North Korea.

I guess terms such as predatory pricing don't mean much to you. Get back to your smash and goes. Use that ADF for navigation, not your sole source of political education.

 

[FlickerFade]

Are you suggesting that companies should look out for the harm that they will do to the employees of competing companies? Doesn't make any sense. Hawaiian and Aloha should focus on ways of bringing in the customers instead of engaging Mesa in meaningless lawsuits in a desperate attempt to flush them out legally, it just makes them look worse to people who care enough to see what's going on. If Hawaiian and Aloha fail then the system of a capitalist economy has prevailed. If you don't like that move to North Korea.

In capitalism there are rules (called laws) under which the "game" is played. The court is the referee. Mesa stands accused of lying about and stealing proprietary information. The court is the proper place for these charges to be heard.

In capitalism if you are losing money and offering a low quality product as Mesa is, you have lost the game too. Mesa's deep pockets feed "go" in the face of this logic.

Lastly, "go's" fares would ultimately be about the same as HA's and AQ's were, in the long run. Because in capitalism you charge what the market will bear to turn a profit. And that's what Mesa does in every other market it serves. So the argument is that if you are going to get the same priced product in the end, why not just keep your local carriers who are your friends, families, and higher quality?

Oh, and JO is the one spouting socialist rhetoric "we want to bring families together", "we are here to help the people of Hawaii" and other nonsense.

But God bless you for being a capitalist.