NTSB and voice recorders

[Muppets]

How much of the actual CVR does the NTSB actually release to the public? For instance....what if im discussing the wild stripper/prostitute in Mexico with my FO and suddenly the wing falls off! Will my whole family have that conversation as my going away present?

 

[The Drizzle]

I think about that all the time after a few lively minutes of cutting up in cruise/climb/descent/takeoff roll/approach/landing.

 

[V1cutsrfun]

I always thought it would be funny if just before you ditched in the ocean...If you blurted out..Geeeeze look at the size of those tenticles on that octopus.... imagine the looks on the faces of everyone in the room listening to that....Did he say......


V1

 

[Muppets]

So that is my question....is that stuff released to the family...I say some messed up stuff at work.

 

[trainer8]

So that is my question....is that stuff released to the family...I say some messed up stuff at work.

Was it during sterile cockpit?

Uh-oh.....

 

[Muppets]

Are you serious?

 

[Bushhatesyou]

My last words would be.... Come get your child support now biiiatch.....

 

[Green Banana]

I flew with a guy that would lean into the CVR before every engine start checklist and say "You and I both know that this aircraft is unairworthy and unsafe, but (enter your chief pilots name here) said he would fire us of we refused to fly it today, Before start checklist please"

 

[Muppets]

I think i will start doing that..even though I like our chief pilot. Im of the contention the NTSB takes out what they think is not worthy of the public knowing or is not a reason for the crash. I.E. ....hookers in Mexico.

 

[pilot'swife]

http://www.airdisaster.com/cvr/cvrwav.shtml

click on the Delta 1141 flight...be aware..it doesn't end pretty.

 

[MarineGrunt]

http://www.airdisaster.com/cvr/cvrwav.shtml

click on the Delta 1141 flight

I was just about to mention that one, but you beat me to it. Talk about eating your own words...

 

[PCL_128]

http://www.airdisaster.com/cvr/cvrwav.shtml

click on the Delta 1141 flight...be aware..it doesn't end pretty.

That flight took place before the law was changed. Now CVRs can only be released in transcript form and must have all non-pertinent discussions removed.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Muppets... You could also simply behave as if your mother was in the jumpseat. Then again that might be giving your mother alot of credit... then again maybe not.

Also keep in mind the NTSB doesn't own the CVR/FDR until a defined accident. Your company owns the information and they can access it anytime they want.

So I wouln't be worried about the NTSB. What I'd be worried about is a pax or fellow crewmember raising some kind of flag causing the company to listen to their black box.


Don't want no cocoa and cookies....

 

[COOPERVANE]

Right at rotation:

"What the hell is that? it's disc shaped and brilliantly illuminated!!"

 

[n32jk]

How much of the actual CVR does the NTSB actually release to the public? For instance....what if im discussing the wild stripper/prostitute in Mexico with my FO and suddenly the wing falls off! Will my whole family have that conversation as my going away present?

It will really depend on whether the IIC determines that the conversation had any relevance to the incident\accident. He might include it to show inattention to the job at hand. Most likely it will show up as "3 minutes of unrelated or non pertinent conversation" or some language to that effect. One thing to remember is that the tape itself belongs to the operator. While the public is released only the final transcript, eventually the NTSB will release the tape itself in all it's glory to the airline. We had an accident where there was a lot of conversation that did not make it to the transcript. (very understanding IIC) This conversation involved discussions about the integrity of the CEO, his sexual preferences in farm animals and similar topics. When the tapes finally made it back to the company 18 mos or so later they paid a court reporter to transcribe it and fired the pilot. I think it had to do with the reference to sexual acts with pigs,,,,everybody knew the CEO only did sheep and goats!!!

 

[Windsor]

Also keep in mind the NTSB doesn't own the CVR/FDR until a defined accident. Your company owns the information and they can access it anytime they want.

So I wouln't be worried about the NTSB. What I'd be worried about is a pax or fellow crewmember raising some kind of flag causing the company to listen to their black box.

I believe that British Airways have a "black box" that the pilots turn into the company after every trip. They really have to watch what they say and do.

 

[Muppets]

Hey Rez....I hope I never fly with you, you sound like a true "bang-clicker".....did you honestly say "act like my mom was in the jumpseat"??? Wow, i think Utah is missing one of their Mormons.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Also keep in mind the NTSB doesn't own the CVR/FDR until a defined accident. Your company owns the information and they can access it anytime they want.

So I wouln't be worried about the NTSB. What I'd be worried about is a pax or fellow crewmember raising some kind of flag causing the company to listen to their black box.

Exactly - excellent point.

 

[FlySacto]

I know the "test" button on our CVR's work. I really wonder what the "erase" button does...

 

[Mike man]

I'm pretty sure that the recordings are stolen and released without approval from the NTSB. I know for a fact that the NTSB only issues the written transcript.