Cirrus crash in Charlotte

[nev-air mind]

Does anyone have more info. on this. A cirrus coming from atl. crashed at the charlotte airport this morning.

 

[Propnose]

Cirrus Crash in CLT

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/16137398.htm

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N665CD

It happened lastnight.

Thoughts go out to his family. Rest In Peace.

 

[SCT]

Dang, that's in my neighborhood. I'm glad I'm out of town.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

I use to fly for that company. Anyone know the pilots name?

 

[G-force]

Cirrus accident

Does anyone have more info. on this. A cirrus coming from atl. crashed at the charlotte airport this morning.

Is this aircraft a SATSAIR Cirrus on a PT.135 charter??????

 

[Lazy8]

Quite a violent Cirrus ending. RIP

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

Not a SATS aircraft.

 

[JimNtexas]

Airshares Elite was the owner according to aero-news.net.

 

[On Your Six]

Terrible - RIP. There seem to be a lot of Cirrus crashes lately - and I know that Cirrus aircraft numbers continue to increase (perhaps the proportion of crashes to total aircraft is not as alarming?).

Any speculation as to why so many Cirrus crashes have happened? Don't think it is a design flaw - pilot error or poor pilot judegement I would suspect. Do you think the pilots are not trained well enough (low timers flying advanced aircraft) or that they are "pushing the envelope" with a false sense of security with the parachute? I know that aircraft crash every day somewhere in the US and we don't necessarily hear about the Cessnas and Pipers that go down. Such a nice aircraft...

 

[Mooneymite]

The Cirrus is a high performance single that is slippery and accelerates quickly. When flown properly it is a very safe plane.

Unfortunately, Cirrus' marketing folks have made a BIG mistake by selling it as an airplane that is "safe for anyone to fly"...It is not.

It requires experience and good training, just like any similar aircraft. Having the money to plunk down on a $450,000 toy does not mean one is sharp enough to fly it.

The parachute (BRS) is a great safety feature, but it can encourage some folks to take chances "because they can always bail out", that they wouldn't take without it. Icing? No problem. If we get iced up, we'll pull the chute. VMC into IMC? No problem, we can pop the chute. Marginal approach into a marginal airport? No problem, we have the BRS.

Word on the street is that initial insurance premiums are running $1500/mo. After building sufficient time, they drop "down to" $13,000/yr. That should tell you something about what the insurance companies think about Cirrus.

Great airplane...great opportunity for fools to fly where angels fear to go.

 

[eagle06]

I agree with the above posts. i currently teach in a SR20. by far the most difficult airplane that ive taught in. The airplane is pretty unforgiving to mistakes largely due to the very clean airframe. Its an airplane where if you are competant and understand the systems it is extremely safe. The automation and integration of GPS ect. make it by far the easiest airplane i have ever flown IFR in. That being said, if you dont use the systems correctly you will be in deep sh1t real quick. Rich guys that have 80 hours and just got their private do not belong in this aircraft in my opinion. They doent have the maturity level (flying wise) to safely handle this aircraft. As for icing. There have been several fatal accidents with this aircraft in ice. I dont know how it performs in ice as i take that accient trend as a clue. The rest of the Cirrus owners should as well. The TKS that is marketed as a safety option has some serious limitations aside from not being certified. It can take very long (30-45 minutes i was told) for the TKS solution to cover all the leading edges. In addition, if not used regularly the sponge like material inside the leading edges drys up rendering it useless. Long story short the airplane should go nowhere near ice. Im a Cirrus Standardized Instructor Pilot with a couple hundered hourse between both models. if you have questions let me know.

 

[Publishers]

I agree with the above, plus there is so much information from the new avionics, it is easy to get distracted and to single focus rather than keep up a good scan. One can easily get caught up in fooling around with the avionics and not flying the plane.
A second aspect, is that people buy these things to go places. In the -22, you have a high performance plane clipping along being flown by pilots with a 172 mind speed, into weather and environments that tax someone with more time and skill. In one Ft. Lauderdale crash, the guy took of in weather I would not have been really excited about going into in a jet or turbo prop.

 

[nev-air mind]

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/news/breaking_news/16146598.htm

Pilot's name was George Vrana. God bless his family and friends.

 

[Flywrite]

Is this aircraft a SATSAIR Cirrus on a PT.135 charter??????

Is this poster a sad little person who cant let go of his experience at SATSair?

G-Force, anyone familiar with your posts about SATSair can problably figure out that you were hoping it was a SATSair aircraft so you could say 'I told you so'.

If you were a stronger reader you would be able to find out for yourself that it wasnt a SATSair aircraft and save yourself from coming across as a dick once again.

 

[G-force]

Un-solicited Opinion

Is this poster a sad little person who cant let go of his experience at SATSair?

G-Force, anyone familiar with your posts about SATSair can problably figure out that you were hoping it was a SATSair aircraft so you could say 'I told you so'.

If you were a stronger reader you would be able to find out for yourself that it wasnt a SATSair aircraft and save yourself from coming across as a dick once again.

This is ONE BIG KOOL-AID DRINKER HERE!!!!!!!

 

[100-1/2]

From Airshares Elite Website:

CEAT™ - The proprietary Cirrus Energy Absorbing Technology (CEAT) integrated into each Cirrus seat protects occupants in emergency landing conditions by absorbing energy equivalent to 26g's vertically and 19g's horizontally.


Interesting. I believe this is a FAR requirement under Part 23. Just as a host of other arsenine statements about safety on their website. Guess Charllotte's trees and terrain are of the 30/20+ G types. With marketing like this (reference another poster) you could walk away from anything in this pencil-lead contraption.

I am curious. Anyone know if it was an instructor/salesman or a client flying?

Lots of other goodies @ http://www.airshareselite.com

No Air Carrier Certificate for any of the management or holdings listed on the site. Looks like a near SATSair 134.5/91.9995 operation.

 

[Publishers]

I believe this was just a shareholder of the aircraft though the program

 

[eagle06]

yup shareholder with 1700 hours

 

[FlyingSkip]

G-Spot will you SHUT UP?!

I'v been outta the mud with G-Spot for so long that I hesitate to take the plunge again, but I'm so glad that somebody else noticed just how callous, unprofessional and downright LOW that post was a few days back! No sympathy for a fellow pilot who died doing something we all do; no empathy for the family of a man who will never again walk through the door; no curiousity about what went wrong so others could avoid the same mistake, if indeed he made one. Just an EAGERNESS to look for SATSAir to have an incident so he could strut around and say "I told you so!" And the funny thing is---if he wouldn't have had his arse handed to him before he even took his checkride he'd have been on their dime and flying their planes---and do you think then he'd have been in such a hurry to mouth such crap about the plane? Maybe...maybe not. Having met the...gentleman (yuk) I'm not sure that he isn't so stupid as to bite the hand that feeds him! Actually, if I recollect rightly---that's a lot of the reason he got handed his walking papers!

Back to the subject---G-Spot you stinking piece of dung---if you can't say something decent in honor of a dead fellow aviator, keep your trap shut. There's enough mess in the world today---we don't need you making any more for us to step in! RIP to a fellow aviator who flies in a different place now.

 

[climbhappy]

i am flying an SR20 for a wealthy owner nand the other day as i was loading the selected approach into the 530 , i just thought, gee this thing is alot like the FMS on the boeing , the autopilot and 15 inch flight display and the garmins make this an easy cross country airplane.

 

[G-force]

Too much HEAT

I'v been outta the mud with G-Spot for so long that I hesitate to take the plunge again, but I'm so glad that somebody else noticed just how callous, unprofessional and downright LOW that post was a few days back! No sympathy for a fellow pilot who died doing something we all do; no empathy for the family of a man who will never again walk through the door; no curiousity about what went wrong so others could avoid the same mistake, if indeed he made one. Just an EAGERNESS to look for SATSAir to have an incident so he could strut around and say "I told you so!" And the funny thing is---if he wouldn't have had his arse handed to him before he even took his checkride he'd have been on their dime and flying their planes---and do you think then he'd have been in such a hurry to mouth such crap about the plane? Maybe...maybe not. Having met the...gentleman (yuk) I'm not sure that he isn't so stupid as to bite the hand that feeds him! Actually, if I recollect rightly---that's a lot of the reason he got handed his walking papers!



Back to the subject---G-Spot you stinking piece of dung---if you can't say something decent in honor of a dead fellow aviator, keep your trap shut. There's enough mess in the world today---we don't need you making any more for us to step in! RIP to a fellow aviator who flies in a different place now.

There is an ol'saying" If you cannot stand the heat,then get out of the kitchen".So dude this is my advice to you,also get the bleach out of your Kool-aid,but hey IF you want to be a Kool-aid drinker then go ahead with your bad self,be another Jim Jones if you want to,it is still a free country,for now.

As for what I said,all I did was make an inquiry as to what happened,so get over it, dude!!!!!!!!

 

[Snakum]

And G-Force wonders why he can't keep a flying job.

A hint John ... it's your prize-winning personality and the fact that you're a little unbalanced. Seriously. You got 'issues', man.

 

[AerroMatt]

Flywrite and Skip,

I gotta take issue with you guys prodding G-spot unnecessarily. Had you said nothing, his inappropriate post would have been quickly forgotten and this thread would have ended. Instead, you've goaded him into turning this thread into another pi$$ing contest like the SilverH-smack-down threads. Clearly, arguing with G-spot is like wrestling a pig in the mud... after a while you realize the pig enjoys it. Lets now leave this thread be and ignore these posts. We all know what his agenda is.

Now with that said... where's my Kool-Aid???

 

[FlyBunny]

Is this poster a sad little person who cant let go of his experience at SATSair?

G-Force, anyone familiar with your posts about SATSair can problably figure out that you were hoping it was a SATSair aircraft so you could say 'I told you so'.

If you were a stronger reader you would be able to find out for yourself that it wasnt a SATSair aircraft and save yourself from coming across as a dick once again.

Well said. I find it astonishing how some pilots would deviate from the actual post and hope for something else entirely. I mean...does it really matter who flew it, what company owned it, etc.

The guy is dead; yet Cirrus involved. What I am more interested in if Cirrus is really training the pilots well. I have flown Cirrus' and it's a beautiful plane to fly. It's an instrument-pilot's dream in actual instrument. Just read the NTSB post on this...this guy was all over the approach. There's something terribly wrong with his knowledge of systems and flight skills...otherwise, the plane flies the approach itself...all you need is manage power/airspeed.

My two cents.

I truly believe that Cirrus marketing department has advertised this plane for people who are not yet ready to fly this...and also the Cirrus training program is woefully inadequate. FAA should look in to some sort of mandatory training program for this airplane.

Any thoughts?
Bunny

 

[eagle06]

I actually thought that the cirrus training i recieved in Duluth was more than adaquate. However, im sure very junior pilots dont get much out of it and forget what the instructor told them the minute they leave. And i agree, beautiful IFR airplane when used correctly.

 

[G-force]

Too much Kool-aid

Flywrite and Skip,

I gotta take issue with you guys prodding G-spot unnecessarily. Had you said nothing, his inappropriate post would have been quickly forgotten and this thread would have ended. Instead, you've goaded him into turning this thread into another pi$$ing contest like the SilverH-smack-down threads. Clearly, arguing with G-spot is like wrestling a pig in the mud... after a while you realize the pig enjoys it. Lets now leave this thread be and ignore these posts. We all know what his agenda is.

Now with that said... where's my Kool-Aid???

Bottoms up on the Kool-aid,Dude,and FlyingSkip also, bottoms up!!! also chase it with a little
Bleach,that should clean the pallet!!!!

 

[Publishers]

I agree that the aircraft flies great and really is a good platform. In addition, the training offered and required by insurance companies seems adequate. I think that the aircraft may be so good, it leads to over confidence of people flying it. We all set personal limitations. With expanded capabilities they tend to go up. I think people are flying these things where experienced people would not .

 

[nev-air mind]

From Airshares Elite Website:

CEAT™ - The proprietary Cirrus Energy Absorbing Technology (CEAT) integrated into each Cirrus seat protects occupants in emergency landing conditions by absorbing energy equivalent to 26g's vertically and 19g's horizontally.


Interesting. I believe this is a FAR requirement under Part 23. Just as a host of other arsenine statements about safety on their website. Guess Charllotte's trees and terrain are of the 30/20+ G types. With marketing like this (reference another poster) you could walk away from anything in this pencil-lead contraption.

I am curious. Anyone know if it was an instructor/salesman or a client flying?

Lots of other goodies @ http://www.airshareselite.com

No Air Carrier Certificate for any of the management or holdings listed on the site. Looks like a near SATSair 134.5/91.9995 operation.

I checked out this site. Looks like an interesting program.

 

[AerroMatt]

G-Force Kool Aid server

Bottoms up on the Kool-aid,Dude,and FlyingSkip also, bottoms up!!! also chase it with a little
Bleach,that should clean the pallet!!!!

Considering the fact that you are The Kool-Aid Server, I'd sooner puke on you than take a drink from you. :smash:

 

[Say Again Over]

The Cirrus is a high performance single that is slippery and accelerates quickly. When flown properly it is a very safe plane

Hmm, has the sound of an MU-2 thread.