ASA 50 seaters going to SLC

[Tomct]

737pilt, the sad thing is that we all had a good chance to come together as one and "PRIDE" got in the way of maximizing our efforts. Granted hind sight is 20/20, but we really needed to think LONG TERM....not short! Too bad, we could have formed one HUGE, POWERFUL GROUP! Shoulda...Woulda.....Coulda! Too Bad!

 

[737 Pylt]

737pilt, the sad thing is that we all had a good chance to come together as one and "PRIDE" got in the way of maximizing our efforts. Granted hind sight is 20/20, but we really needed to think LONG TERM....not short! Too bad, we could have formed one HUGE, POWERFUL GROUP! Shoulda...Woulda.....Coulda! Too Bad!

I agree completely!

737

 

[HA25]

We should have been happy to have been stapled to their list. It would have been the way to go! I agree with you ...no flow backs, but we should have made it happen!

That was what I wanted them to do, using the term flowthru was probably not good marketing but in effect a 100% flow thru is, just that, a staple. But they then drummed up some bs letter I never wrote to DALPA or some thing "selling out", some of them harassed me and even tried to use the serious term "scab" me and rail railroaded me out of the airline (well truth be told, I too had a good job offer on the table) so as to get rid of my voice. Oddly things over there haven't changed, now it's SkyWest's turn to be the evil pilot group, as they're the new buyer. Be careful who you you disagree with at ASA-ALPA, they're vengeful and will stop at nothing to discredit you.

Hind sight being 20/20, the fact is, if DAL had furloughed their 1000 guys after we did this (which would have been much harder for them to do), of the 1800 guys at ASA, JoeMerchant is right, he would have been bumped out of his seat, but pay protected in what ever seat he landed in if this was written correctly, because I wanted pay protection written in for the 33% most senior ASA pilots so that whether they went up or down, they didn't take a cut until their payscale exceeded their current pay.

Now, with the talks of merger with HP/AAA, the ASA seniority list would have been part of the deal. Whereas ASA after a future DAL merger with them is going to be another ACA now.. without a home. HP/AAA have a long time history with Mesa and Mesa is agressive, and will not let go of marker share. At the same time Skywest is placing most of their best in the UAL basket.

So, no don't be mislead, ASA's union at that time (meaning the leadership and active membership) had their eyes on a 3:1 integration with their senior guys, kid yourself not, and that was like me wishing to win the lottery and buy my own jet.

 

[jeroom]

No some are, but most realize this isn't the fault of Skywest pilots. It is a shame that an ASA pilot with ALPA connections is threatening a Skywest pilot with violence. Don't worry, it is an idle threat much like any other ALPA threat. The ALPA cheerleaders are scared and they are lashing out at the Skywest pilots. They should be lashing out at their ALPA leadership instead. Rest assured, most ASA pilots don't blame Skywest pilots, and if we meet you in the parking lot at Flight Safety, we will invite you to Spondivits for a beer!

Come on man now!!!
He wasn't threatening him with violence... he was just telling him to be "aware" ( like Jean-Claude Vandamme) around FSI and the Red Roof because it coud be a dangerous place to be a night. There's a kinda ghetto feel around there don't ya tink? YO!

 

[John Pennekamp]

No some are, but most realize this isn't the fault of Skywest pilots. It is a shame that an ASA pilot with ALPA connections is threatening a Skywest pilot with violence. Don't worry, it is an idle threat much like any other ALPA threat. The ALPA cheerleaders are scared and they are lashing out at the Skywest pilots. They should be lashing out at their ALPA leadership instead. Rest assured, most ASA pilots don't blame Skywest pilots, and if we meet you in the parking lot at Flight Safety, we will invite you to Spondivits for a beer!

An ASA pilot with ALPA connections? Geez, you just think you know everyone on here. Why is is that you call anyone who says anything you disagree with an ALPA rep.

You have no idea who WWW. is or whether he's even really an ASA pilot. Until uou can actually prove something, why don't you just shut your pie hole. You're embarrasing Lynn.

 

[Bizjet]

It's very simple Tomct. If ALPA had done it's job, we wouldn't be competing with each other for flying within a brand. However ALPA didn't do their job, and now we are competing with each other. The pilots of other carriers, whether they are ALPA or not, are not the problem. This was a failure of ALPA.

Hate the game, not the players.....

By the way, is ALPA doing anything to stop this "game"......

You hate ALPA because ALPA didn't do their job. You don't do your job as LEC Sec/Treas. but you want to "Hate the game, not the players...". You are toooooooo weird for words. You are truly void of integrity!

 

[Klamath]

Joe Merchant,

I'm so tired of you and those like you. You live by the motto "I'm a victim". Nothing is ever your fault and someone else has always done you wrong.

Still crying that you didn't get stapled to the bottom of the Delta list? Why don't (or didn't) you try to actually get on the Delta seniority list through your own determination and hard work? Instead you are a VICTIM. An interview at a major airline is designed weed out the likes of you. Perhaps you know this and that's why you are always looking for the backdoor?

As a victim, why don't you sue somebody? That should help. Get some balls and be your own man. Take life as it comes, some times it's good, sometimes not so good. But for the love of God, stop blaming everyone else for your deficiencies.

In other words shut the ************************* up, you are the whining child everyone wants to hit! It's your, "I'm just a vicitim", mentality that that makes everyone hate you.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Joe Merchant,


As a victim, why don't you sue somebody? That should help.

Oh, he is. Ever hear of the RJDC? (a.k.a Victims R Us)

 

[www.]

So ALPA has failed in job security, and your reaction is to threaten Skywest pilots? It isn't their fault that ALPA is a total failure.... is it?

Boy you are one twisted pilot John. This was not a threat. I have better things to do with my time. I have a life unlike you.

By the way. You talk about job security. I don't think ALPA failed when it came to your rescue did they?

 

[www.]

An ASA pilot with ALPA connections? Geez, you just think you know everyone on here. Why is is that you call anyone who says anything you disagree with an ALPA rep.

You have no idea who WWW. is or whether he's even really an ASA pilot. Until uou can actually prove something, why don't you just shut your pie hole. You're embarrasing Lynn.

He knows. But once again he knows not what he says.