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I just finished watching the "Laying of the wreath" ceremony which was broadcast live form Arlington and I have a question on military ettiquette.

If the President is the CINC and swears the oath to defend the Constitution, why does he place his hand over his heart instead of saluting the flag during the National Anthem and the presentation of colors?

Just curious.
 
Because he's a civilian.

I'm not sure I like it when our civilian leadership returns a military salute. I'd think the naval folks would like it less because they're usually uncovered. Opinions?
 
Thanks BE23, I wasnt trying to be being judgemental, it was just something I've always wonderered about.
 
He might be a civilian but he's also the commander-in-chief and he'd better be returning salutes. I'm Navy and I have no problem with civilians that rate salutes (not all that many) returning salutes.

I'm sure that somewhere there is some etiquette or regulations about saluting/hand over the heart but not too worried about it frankly. Saluting back when saluted to and hand over the heart for the anthem sounds about right to me.
 
why does he place his hand over his heart instead of saluting the flag during the National Anthem and the presentation of colors?

Proper etiquette when rendering honors to the flag while in civilian clothes is to salute with the hand over the heart (this includes military personnel when in civilian clothes).
 
Proper etiquette when rendering honors to the flag while in civilian clothes is to salute with the hand over the heart (this includes military personnel when in civilian clothes).


Thanks Zulu:beer: and a BIG THANK YOU to all who have and are currently serving this great nation.
 
When the commander and chief came to Memphis. I was rendered a salute and he returned the salute. I believe his salute is a tradition that should be carried forward. I remember President Clinton never saluting when he came off the jet or helo.

C-5
 
Zulu is correct. Active duty military place their hand over their heart rather than salute during the national anthem.

It is proper for the military person in civilian clothes to return the salute of another miltary member.

The two circumstances are slightly different.
 
It is proper for the military person in civilian clothes to return the salute of another miltary member.

Not in the Marine Corps. I can't speak for the other services, but it's a big no-no in the Corps.

Marines only salute when covered.....which is why you'll never see them salute indoors unless they are under arms (sword/pistol), in which case they will be covered!
 
I think Ronald Reagan started returning military salutes. I don't think the presidents before him did. Anybody remember?

When in civilian clothes during the national anthem or when the flag passes by in a parade, I'm one of the guys with my hand (or hat) over my heart--unless I'm correcting my son again. Entirely appropriate for the president during a ceremony, regardless of whether he should be rendering the military salute at all.
 
In addition to what was said above, anyone who has been awarded the CMH rates a salute from the President on down. For that reason alone the CIC needs to know how to salute properly, in my opinion.
 
Not in the Marine Corps. I can't speak for the other services, but it's a big no-no in the Corps.

Marines only salute when covered.....which is why you'll never see them salute indoors unless they are under arms (sword/pistol), in which case they will be covered!

Exactly! Semper Fi!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Not in the Marine Corps. I can't speak for the other services, but it's a big no-no in the Corps.

Marines only salute when covered.....which is why you'll never see them salute indoors unless they are under arms (sword/pistol), in which case they will be covered!

I'm curious...what does "being covered" mean?
 
Just a thought re: presidents saluting as it was never covered in any military etiquette course or manual I ever encountered. Perhaps presidents return salutes because it would be considered a snub not to acknowledge a salute in some manner.

Clinton never served in the military. Perhaps that is why he seldom, if ever, returned a salute. I would hope he at least looked the service member in the eye and nodded his head in acknowledgment. I believe most other recent presidents had prior military service and felt comfortable returning salutes while in office as civilians.
 
Wearing the appropriate headgear.

GV

Something that most folks forget is that it doesn't have to be military headgear. I know most people wouldn't do it, but if you are covered (wearing a hat, any hat) and it's time to salute, you should salute.

Look it up in your military etiquette book.
 
does anyone know how/why the salute began?

Here are a few theories:

"The exact origin of this salute has been lost in time. One theory is that it came from Roman soldiers' shading their eyes from the intense light that was supposed to shine from the eyes of their superiors (see emission theory (vision)). Another theory is that it came from when men-at-arms wore armor--a friendly approach would include holding the reins of the horse with the left hand while raising the visor of the helmet with the right, so that one could be recognised. A third theory is that the salute, and the handshake, came from a way of showing that the right hand (the fighting hand) was not concealing a weapon. One romantic legend has it that today’s military salute descended from the medieval knight's gesture of raising his visor to reveal his identity as a courtesy on the approach of a superior. Another even more fantastic version is that it symbolizes a knight's shielding his eyes from the dazzling beauty of some high-born lady sitting in the bleachers of the tournament.
The most widely accepted theory is that it evolved from the practice of men raising their hats in the presence of officers. Tipping one's hat on meeting a social superior was the normal civilian sign of respect at the time [1]. Repeated hat-raising was impractical if heavy helmets were worn, so the gesture was stylised to a mere hand movement.
The naval salute, with the palm downwards, is said to have originated because the palms of naval ratings, particularly deckhands, were often dirty through working with lines. Because it would be insulting to present a dirty palm to an officer, the palm was turned downwards."
 

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