ASA Contract Thoughts

[Smacktard]

You can count on that to change about a week after the election. "Something" will occur in the Mideast that JUST HAPPENS to cause an oil price spike, and gee whiz, gas prices are back above $2.50.

But really, the GOP SWEARS the the drop in gas prices had nothing to do with the election!

And here I thought OPEC had something to do with that...

 

[Speedtape]

I agree with Pennekamp- don't use falling gas prices to bolster means for a stronger contract, as the election undoubtedly has a lot to do with those dropping oil prices. They'll spike in another few weeks. OPEC has already made it clear that they are displeased with dropping prices and are thus aiming to lower oil output.

They will spike in a few weeks because there is another holiday which usually means higher than normal traffic.

OPEC's behavior is predictable. They have been funding terrorism since the 60's. History shows that whenever a new conflict starts in the Middle East, supplies are impacted and it becomes a good reason to raise oil prices or lower production--which raises oil prices. Conflict=Higher Oil Prices

 

[Bizjet]

Yes the information I received was incorrect. Apparantly it was the margin they beat our current FO rep. by. That does send a message. Sorry for my error.

Now back to the profit margin numbers. Can you show me a 13% profit margin?

But you put the information out as facts just like management told you to do!! And on the F/O reps against one rep is not apples to apples. Why don't you get your facts straight before continuing to post false B.S. You will make a good little boytoy for Lynn's army!

 

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Speed tape

So true....

Whie on a recent trip to Southeast Asia I saw first hand how they are funding radical muslim expansion which results directly in terrorist activities. The muslims typically are so backward in their approach to business that about all they can do effectively is exploit natural resources and they can't even do that without outside help. So there is not much hope for a muslim middle class to be conservative, peace loving, business folks.

Farmers in the islands around Southern parts of Indonesia and the Philippines are getting paid about $2,000 for their conversion to the Muslim "faith." And in balance the Muslims are building schools, water supplies and other public infastructure with their middle east funding. It is a communist approach to life that has at its core an intensely exclusionary and intolerant faith.

$2,000 to these people is the equivalent of $100,000 to us - a year's income, or more, where some earn as little as $400 per year. They can take the money and give up Catholicism (and other beliefs) or hold out and have their property taken away and ultimately killed (if they did not leave after their jobs were taken). A Christian can't go to the local Muslim govenor for help - often it is the local police who kill those the Govenor wants out of his way for his Muslim business cronies. While I was there the National government was trying to remove a govenor who was convicted of fraud (having several thousand people on the government payroll who did not exist, while their pay was being diverted to his cronies) The govenor basically went to his office and camped out with about 400 well armed local police - the National government, unwilling to fight a war over the issue appears to be locked in a stalemate. In the mean time - the city has no water, no electricity, no sanitation, etc... Hard to get around the troop transports and blockades....

Long story short - the US has to get away from buying so much oil from these people. The export of Oil results in a tiny number of rich Muslims and a huge number of dependents who blame the US for everything - it is a bad situation.

 

[John Pennekamp]

So how many votes did the current FO rep get? Inquiring minds want to know, and you've already demonstrated a propensity for shooting your mouth off with incorrect information.

But you put the information out as facts just like management told you to do!! And on the F/O reps against one rep is not apples to apples. Why don't you get your facts straight before continuing to post false B.S. You will make a good little boytoy for Lynn's army!

I can hear the crickets chirping, Fighting Irish. Maybe you should stop acting like you have connections you don't have and know information you don't know.

The answer to the question is that the FO rep in we were discussing got a whopping 15 votes, and that's straight from the horses's mouth, because I asked him. Yes, its a pathetic showing, and no, he didn't seem too upset about it.

Either way, that means he was beat by a 3-1 margin, since the lowest person on the CA ballot got 44 votes, not the 7-1 you champion, not that the actual numbers really matter. The point is that you're full of crap and need to learn not to post information as fact unless you really know what you're talking about!

 

[IFLYASA]

They will spike in a few weeks because there is another holiday which usually means higher than normal traffic.

OPEC's behavior is predictable. They have been funding terrorism since the 60's. History shows that whenever a new conflict starts in the Middle East, supplies are impacted and it becomes a good reason to raise oil prices or lower production--which raises oil prices. Conflict=Higher Oil Prices

This is why we need to become less depedent on foreign oil. Hopefully new technology will lead toward this.

 

[JoeMerchant]

ASA has maintained a 13% profit margin, most profitable by margin, but Skywest made a little more cash due to their size.

The operating profit margin is about 13%. The net profit margin is about 5%. For comparison sake, the net profit margin in 1994 was 16.87% and in 1995 it was 17.52%. Margins are being squeezed as the mainlines pay less for regional lift.

 

[VeeOne]

I'd be happy with 5% and our 705's back.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Yes the information I received was incorrect. Apparantly it was the margin they beat our current FO rep. by. That does send a message. Sorry for my error.

Now back to the profit margin numbers. Can you show me a 13% profit margin?

If you really understood the numbers, you'd realize that a 14% operating margin in this industry is fantastic...

 

[FightingIrish]

I can hear the crickets chirping, Fighting Irish. Maybe you should stop acting like you have connections you don't have and know information you don't know.

The answer to the question is that the FO rep in we were discussing got a whopping 15 votes, and that's straight from the horses's mouth, because I asked him. Yes, its a pathetic showing, and no, he didn't seem too upset about it.

Either way, that means he was beat by a 3-1 margin, since the lowest person on the CA ballot got 44 votes, not the 7-1 you champion, not that the actual numbers really matter. The point is that you're full of crap and need to learn not to post information as fact unless you really know what you're talking about!

Well he was beat 66-15 actually. It was 6-1. It was close to what I was told. Why did a current member of the MEC only get 15 votes? That tells me that a majority of pilots aren't really happy about our current strategy.

 

[FightingIrish]

If you really understood the numbers, you'd realize that a 14% operating margin in this industry is fantastic...

But it isn't "record" profit when compared to the past. It used to be better didn't it? Also how would our current ALPA proposal effect that profit margin?

 

[Puck Mugger]

Well he was beat 66-15 actually. It was 6-1. It was close to what I was told. Why did a current member of the MEC only get 15 votes? That tells me that a majority of pilots aren't really happy about our current strategy.

Actually it is closer than 4 to 1 than 6 to 1. 4.4 to be exact. Regardless it says nothing about how people feel about strategy.

Seeing as how the other member of the MEC that is running did not even campaign and made out just fine.

 

[asapilot]

Well he was beat 66-15 actually. It was 6-1. It was close to what I was told. Why did a current member of the MEC only get 15 votes? That tells me that a majority of pilots aren't really happy about our current strategy.

It has nothing to do with pilot's not being happy with strategy. It has to do with people not wanting to have a rep with no brain-to-mouth filter. Everyone knew he wasn't going to get nominated. It would have been the same results even if we weren't in negotiations.

 

[FightingIrish]

It has nothing to do with pilot's not being happy with strategy. It has to do with people not wanting to have a rep with no brain-to-mouth filter. Everyone knew he wasn't going to get nominated. It would have been the same results even if we weren't in negotiations.

Well this rep with "no brain-to-mouth filter" is 50% of our current MEC. He is half of the current leadership. Is it any wonder many of us are starting to question our leadership?

 

[asapilot]

Originally Posted by asapilot
It has nothing to do with pilot's not being happy with strategy. It has to do with people not wanting to have a rep with no brain-to-mouth filter. Everyone knew he wasn't going to get nominated. It would have been the same results even if we weren't in negotiations.

Well this rep with "no brain-to-mouth filter" is 50% of our current MEC. He is half of the current leadership. Is it any wonder many of us are starting to question our leadership?

Well, he's not in the running now, so it's not a problem. If only we could do the same with John...

One F/O rep does not an MEC make and enough people felt that he needed to not be involved so as to not nominate him. That does not mean that those same people feel that Lynn and the rest should be involved. We'll see how the votes go, but the loss of WF hardly has anything to do with the pilot group's feelings about the rest of our leadership.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Actually, what is far more alarming is that Dave N. has two voting positions. It doesn't matter what Will F. thinks, it only matters what Newie thinks. I am not saying I dislike or do not trust Dave, but I am upset that the checks and balances have been abrogated. Am I misunderstanding this?

 

[Speedtape]

Actually, what is far more alarming is that Dave N. has two voting positions. It doesn't matter what Will F. thinks, it only matters what Newie thinks. I am not saying I dislike or do not trust Dave, but I am upset that the checks and balances have been abrogated. Am I misunderstanding this?

First, I know Newie, and you don't have to worry about him making the right decision. He has a strong track record when it come to ALPA experience and making right decisions!

Newie did not create the situation to which you allude. It was created by the base closure--the company. I am just thankful that Newie is the person who is partially in charge of the situation he did not create. The checks and balances to which you refer are compromised, but Newie will not compromise his integrity or reputation during this interim period. Newie works ultimately for the pilots and he seems to fully understand that! He has character and will not bring harm to this pilot group! Anyone who knows him, understands that!

You should be alarmed by some of the things that are being schemed in circles outside the ASA MEC about hijacking our Union! But for you, maybe not?

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Newie did not create the situation to which you allude. It was created by the base closure--the company.

Bob Arnold's retirement is what caused Newie's promotion to the MEC Chair. This had nothing to do with the SLC closure.

You should be alarmed by some of the things that are being schemed in circles outside the ASA MEC about hijacking our Union! But for you, maybe not?

I am alarmed about the "schemes." However, it is just as upsetting that the voting positions set up by our union are no longer balanced. Like I said, this has nothing to do with Dave personally.

By the way, what were you implying with your last statement?

 

[Speedtape]

Bob Arnold's retirement is what caused Newie's promotion to the MEC Chair. This had nothing to do with the SLC closure.



I am alarmed about the "schemes." However, it is just as upsetting that the voting positions set up by our union are no longer balanced. Like I said, this has nothing to do with Dave personally.

By the way, what were you implying with your last statement?

Please state the "balance" problem that is the issue. I am not clear on your point.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Sure.

Two LEC voters (Cpt and FO), separate from MEC Chair and Vice-Chair. Now, Cpt LEC Rep and MEC Chair are one in the same. They were seperate for a reason. Again, this has nothing to do with liking Dave or not. It is a dangerous road that we are going down without the checks and balances of seperation.

"Abosolute power corrupts absolutely"

 

[John Pennekamp]

Sure.

Two LEC voters (Cpt and FO), separate from MEC Chair and Vice-Chair. Now, Cpt LEC Rep and MEC Chair are one in the same. They were seperate for a reason. Again, this has nothing to do with liking Dave or not. It is a dangerous road that we are going down without the checks and balances of seperation.

"Abosolute power corrupts absolutely"

The MEC chairman is not a voting position. So Newie still has the same number of votes he had as the CA rep.

The conflict is that there's now only two voting members and Newie outvotes Farruzi by about 250 roll call votes. That's where the checks & balances fails. Basically, the MEC now does whatever Newie thinks it should do because he has the votes, and Farruzi doesn't have the votes to stop him. The rest of the MEC officers don't have a vote either, so technically, what Newie says goes.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

That is what I was getting at, thank you.

 

[Tomct]

Well I would take what Dave does far better for the pilot group than the "run your mouth" Farruzzi. He just likes to hear himself talk! Go get em DAVE!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Well I would take what Dave does far better for the pilot group than the "run your mouth" Farruzzi. He just likes to hear himself talk! Go get em DAVE!!

Well I guess that's why everyone voted him out. Is it really necessary to continue to publicly humilitate the guy? Wasn't the 15 votes he got enough of a slap?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Well I would take what Dave does far better for the pilot group than the "run your mouth" Farruzzi. He just likes to hear himself talk! Go get em DAVE!!

Speaking of running one's mouth... I can't believe Tomct of all people is accusing someone of running their mouth!

Hello, pot, it's the kettle...

 

[Tomct]

Speaking of running one's mouth... I can't believe Tomct of all people is accusing someone of running their mouth!

Hello, pot, it's the kettle...

John, YHGTBSM with that reply! You are in these bs arguments more than most. I will back up what I say....will you? I have no problem with speaking my mind, especially when what the others are saying is nothing but a bunch of SH!T!! I flew a round trip with Faruzzi and wanted to pummel him then...thank the lord it was only ONE round trip!!

 

[John Pennekamp]

John, YHGTBSM with that reply! You are in these bs arguments more than most. I will back up what I say....will you? I have no problem with speaking my mind, especially when what the others are saying is nothing but a bunch of SH!T!! I flew a round trip with Faruzzi and wanted to pummel him then...thank the lord it was only ONE round trip!!

A WHOLE ROUND TRIP? Yes, I apologize. Whatta jerk he must be! You can really get to know someone well in <3 hours! Sheesh! I never had a problem with him, and we spent a whole month together once. I heard he's grown up a bit since upgrade too, but whatever.

My comment to YOU was that you are the FIRST PERSON here to go off his rocker and start shouting obscenities in every post. I picture a spoiled kid jumping and pitching a fit every time you post!

 

[Tomct]

My comment to YOU was that you are the FIRST PERSON here to go off his rocker and start shouting obscenities in every post.


I think you are confused! If I have yelled, I believe it is mostly directed toward our crappy mgmnt. Do you disagree? I see you yelling back and forth a whole lot more than most on this board, so I think that YOU should take a step back a look at YOUR posts.
And what's that saying....."you can NEVER make another FIRST IMPRESSION!" I am glad that YOU got along with him...that's great, what I was telling you is that he was a "know it all....which he didn't" and thought that HE was going to be the Savior of this airline! As far as I am concerned, he shot himself in the foot a LONG time ago. Anyone that is approved by this Crappy mgmnt should be the FARTHEST from our choice. But maybe you would LIKE a paycut and to get bent over....you tell me!