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Southwest expects to rebound from difficult 3rd quarter

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Hoke

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Insisting that his carrier has "a number of weapons to choose from," Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly told reporters and analysts at the company's Dallas headquarters this week that a 15% increase in year-end earnings remains a goal for both 2006 and 2007.

On the heels of a difficult third quarter during which net profit fell 77% (ATWOnline, Oct. 20), Kelly said Southwest expects fuel prices to continue to rise for the next four years and that "we know our focus now, and for the next several years, is to drive revenue growth."

The airline was enjoying another banner year before the third-quarter profit plunge, caused in part by the August terrorist scare and expenses that rose 19.5% from the year-ago quarter against a 17.7% increase in revenues. Nine-month profit of $442 million was up just 6.8% over the year-ago period, but Kelly is confident of a rebound despite some analyst skepticism. "We wouldn't mention it if we didn't believe we could do it," he declared.

Saying he did not want to "give a road map for competitors to follow," he would not reveal Southwest's specific revenue-enhancement strategy. But he claimed the carrier is "in position to [increase revenue] better than other airlines due to competitive advantages."

Kelly added that costs are under control and said the airline is in the process of reviewing airport operations and looking for savings and efficiencies. He noted that there are plenty of growth opportunities in markets Southwest already serves, starting with Dallas. In conjunction with the announcement of a fare sale out of Dallas Love Field, he said load factors on flights leaving the airport have been approximately 65%, but the repeal of the Wright Amendment means Dallas "is like a new city for us."

The carrier remains reluctant to raise fares but will consider "modest" hikes in some markets. Kelly maintained that its low-fare brand is worth more than any individual increase and said he does not foresee an across-the-board fare hike in this quarter.

Southwest also would consider another codeshare agreement that might help boost loads (its deal with ATA Airlines is worth $50 million in revenue), but Kelly said one of the problems with partnering with other carriers is that "most of them have very unfriendly customer service and that doesn't work for Southwest Airlines."

It also will not start charging passengers for extras, and he said it has no plan to establish and charge for assigned seating. It continues to conduct tests in San Diego on a variety of boarding procedures but will not reveal the results. He said assigned seating only will be implemented if it is revenue neutral, ensuring no costs would be passed on to the customer.

"We're accelerating our growth at a time that our competition is decelerating," Kelly concluded. Southwest plans to take delivery of 37 aircraft next year.
 
.......but Kelly said one of the problems with partnering with other carriers is that "most of them have very unfriendly customer service and that doesn't work for Southwest Airlines."

That's an understatement.
 
"We're accelerating our growth at a time that our competition is decelerating," Kelly concluded. Southwest plans to take delivery of 37 aircraft next year.

dats what its all about! Yeah, baby!!! And you don't have to be 55 to fly something new at Southwest Airlines.
 
Southwest also would consider another codeshare agreement that might help boost loads (its deal with ATA Airlines is worth $50 million in revenue),

Hmmm. The employees of ATA were sold on the idea of exclusivity for the term of our agreement.
 
What were you sold?

I meant sold as far as code sharing. When we think of code sharing, ATA comes to mind and that is all. "Southwest also would consider another codeshare agreement" is not exactly what any Southwest pilot wants to hear. I suspect it may just be Kelly giving the reporters and Wall Street some lip service.
 
Insisting that his carrier has "a number of weapons to choose from," Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly told reporters and analysts at the company's Dallas headquarters this week that a 15% increase in year-end earnings remains a goal for both 2006 and 2007.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It may remain a goal, but achievement is not a reality without a new pilot TA.

:pimp:​
 
Dude. You spout more than any other poster on this board. We haven't gotten far enough down the road to be pissed off.

One thing I can promise you is that growth calms nerves.

Gup
 
dats what its all about! Yeah, baby!!! And you don't have to be 55 to fly something new at Southwest Airlines.


Growth is great, but it seems a little misleading that SWA is accelerating growth.................478 planes by years' end and increasing 37 next year is less than 8%. Doesn't seem like a whole lot. Maybe they aren't including some of the other LCC's in their comparison of competitor's growth plans.

Just an observation, nothing more.

CD
 
It amazes me how some of the ATA guys are pissed at SWA for "taking away some of their flying." They seem to forget that they were pretty much out of business a few years ago. At least you have a job. Stop bitching.

If you don't like your job stop blaming others and go get a new one....

:rolleyes:
 
It amazes me how some of the ATA guys are pissed at SWA for "taking away some of their flying." They seem to forget that they were pretty much out of business a few years ago. At least you have a job. Stop bitching.

I have never heard of an ATA pilot being "pissed" at SWA for anything, certainly not the pilots. If there is "bitching" it is most certainly understandable from a human point of view. If you take a 65% pay cut, watch hundreds of your coworkers get the axe and see your airline's routes cut while other airlines take those same routes maybe you might bitch just a little yourself.

I have been impressed by my brothers and sisters. With all these bad things going on the schedules have been kept, sick calls down and with our usual impeccable safety record - all with a smile to the traveling public. Any "bitching" is kept within the family.

I wonder what would happen if your growth was slowed down even a few percentage points, do you think you might hear some "bitching" and a call for you to find another job? I'm sure you would be the first one "bitching" to end the codeshare agreement. That would not amaze me.
 
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I wonder what would happen if your growth was slowed down even a few percentage points, do you think you might hear some "bitching" and a call for you to find another job? I'm sure you would be the first one "bitching" to end the codeshare agreement. That would not amaze me.

Hey you are definately entitled to your opinion. Everything comes in cycles. Growth, cuts, hiring, furlough. You just have to tough it out. To your amazement if we slow down and slow growth or cut some routes I wouldn't be blaming ATA. It is part of business and that's what happens (you either learn to deal with it or not. I have been furloughed four times and hopefully I don't have go through it again, but if it happened I would deal with it.)

People, business, management makes mistakes (some intentional some not) but that is the way life is.

The trick is you can blame whoever you want and be pissed off all the time or your can just suck it up and do the best you can with what you have.

Life is too short...

SWA didn't kill ATA. That was done by your management and the decisions that they made. Which would you rather have...some of your brothers with a job or all our your brothers without a job?

Like I said if you don't like your job quit and find another one. keep trying, cuz eventually you might find one you like. ;)
 
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It amazes me how some of the ATA guys are pissed at SWA for "taking away some of their flying." They seem to forget that they were pretty much out of business a few years ago. At least you have a job. Stop bitching.

If you don't like your job stop blaming others and go get a new one....

:rolleyes:


Well, a lot of the tried to go to SWA with their bull$hit "preferential interview".....how many were hired? Two ATA pilots?
 
The trick is you can blame whoever you want and be pissed off all the time or your can just suck it up and do the best you can with what you have.
I guess you have a pre-conceived thought process regarding this issue. If you re-read my post you will see that I have said that NO one is blaming anyone for ATA's blight. If there is bitching it is kept in house just to let off steam.

SWA didn't kill ATA.
True statment. ATA is smaller but we are still fllying and actually making money and for the record SWA didn't save ATA. ATA sold some assets to SWA at bargain basement prices. The codeshare has made SWA at least $50 million (very conservatively) last year while our military charter has actually saved ATA.

For the record, I too have either been furloughed or had my airline quit me many times as well. I just happen to like my job at ATA and wouldn't even consider going to any other airline.
 
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Pick up a paper Kelly. You know thats not true.

A few other LCCs are infact delaying orders.

Lowecur,
Stop trying to make drama about our negotiations. Its just not that big of an issue, and had absolutly no impact on our record breaking Q2, our extremely disappointing Q3, and will not impact the '06 year end.

Megadeth,
What the hell are you talking about?
 
Well, a lot of the tried to go to SWA with their bull$hit "preferential interview".....how many were hired? Two ATA pilots?

Shut up. You have NO idea how many were hired. I have personally helped quite a few ATA pilots get hired here and I meet many more ex-ATA pilots that are SWA now all the time.
 
Lowecur, Megadeth and The_Russian on one thread. All we need is Instructordude and we have the 4 posters of the Apocalypse.
 
Lowecur, Megadeth and The_Russian on one thread. All we need is Instructordude and we have the 4 posters of the Apocalypse.

We just wanted to have a party with you guys. We wanted to celebrate SWA's "Lowering of the Bar".

Thanks guys for the great party. Now its over.
 
We just wanted to have a party with you guys. We wanted to celebrate SWA's "Lowering of the Bar".

Thanks guys for the great party. Now its over.

And paying money to fly a 1900 around is not lowering the bar? I guess it's all worth it though because you get to wear a hat and a real set of wings like those two turds in FLL I saw last week.
 
Lowecur, Megadeth and The_Russian on one thread. All we need is Instructordude and we have the 4 posters of the Apocalypse.

I don't believe in the apocalypse at SWA. I would be a little concerned about your growth though. Too quick can kill. What if those planes aren't full? It is a good question to ask along with employee costs. No flame intended, just debate.

BTW, The other three posters you mentioned have a little too much estrogen going on.
 
And paying money to fly a 1900 around is not lowering the bar? I guess it's all worth it though because you get to wear a hat and a real set of wings like those two turds in FLL I saw last week.

Its not. Who bought your type rating in the 737?
 
How come everyone brings up GAA when I chime in? Do you think mentioning my career path proves your point?

Well guess what?

It doesn't. It has nothing to do with the thread. And, you are just using it to distract from the fact that you have no argument. None of you even know if I paid a dime in the first place.

BTW, if you are going to call GIA PFT (which it isnt). Then, you have to call SWA PFT also.
 
How come everyone brings up GAA when I chime in? Do you think mentioning my career path proves your point?

Well guess what?

It doesn't. It has nothing to do with the thread. And, you are just using it to distract from the fact that you have no argument. None of you even know if I paid a dime in the first place.

BTW, if you are going to call GIA PFT (which it isnt). Then, you have to call SWA PFT also.

Your career path is relevant because you work for a little pay to fly commuter airline yet you are on here bashing Southwest like you are an industry veteran. BTW Gulfstream is not just pay for training it reaches a whole new low...paying to fly. I don't give a crap if you were hired some other way at GAA bottom line is you still have pilots on the property who are paying GAA for right to fly their airplanes.

BTW Southwest never said anyone had to pay a dime for their type rating. All they say is that you have to have one. They really don't give a rats a$$ who paid for it as long as you have it. I can think of several pilots who had their types paid for by people other than themselves.
 
Your career path is relevant because you work for a little pay to fly commuter airline yet you are on here bashing Southwest like you are an industry veteran. BTW Gulfstream is not just pay for training it reaches a whole new low...paying to fly. I don't give a crap if you were hired some other way at GAA bottom line is you still have pilots on the property who are paying GAA for right to fly their airplanes.

I don't have to be an industry vet to see the business end of it all. You bashed me, so I bashed you. If you don't want any bashing, THEN DON'T BASH! Get it? Obviously not. There is no "new low", it is all the same. Just like the over 50% of current regional and major airline pilots that PFT'd at some point in their careers. And just how you bought your type, so that YOU COULD WORK AT SWA.
 
I don't have to be an industry vet to see the business end of it all. You bashed me, so I bashed you. If you don't want any bashing, THEN DON'T BASH! Get it? Obviously not. There is no "new low", it is all the same. Just like the over 50% of current regional and major airline pilots that PFT'd at some point in their careers. And just how you bought your type, so that YOU COULD WORK AT SWA.

She's cute when she's mad.
 

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