Mesaba TA

[oiltycoon]

To those voting yes, please tell the rest of us "on the fence" and voting no why we should vote yes on a TA negotiated during a sham/fake/bogus bankruptcy. PLEASE. (And forget the save the company crap reason.)

 

[HelloNewman]

the TA isn't even out yet. If someone wants to save their job, feed their family and live to fight another day thats good enough no? Where people get off on trying to run other peoples lives I have no clue.

 

[redflyer65]

Around a 5% paycut. Keep the minimum day. Loss of some vacancy/displacement language. Snap back provisions if Mesaba receives more than 30 jets.

This is all rumor at this point, but one thing stands out in my mind. How does the company go back to the bankruptcy judge and talk about making such a deal after insisting on cuts of around 19%. This in itself well show to everyone watching what a crap bag this whole process has been.

You guys still don't get paid enough now, and they never needed the reduction in pay to begin with. These jokers need to be locked up.

 

[b19]

I hope every Mesaba pilot winds up with a better job, because they have fought hard to protect the little that is left, and that helps all of us.
Good Luck to Ya.

 

[kmox29]

...live to fight another day...

People can and should vote however they feel they need to. But if I have to hear that lame a$$ battle cry anymore... uke:

 

[gnx99]

I'm still confused on why there's a TA. If they are so certain the strike injunction will be overturned, why negotiate with no leverage? I just don't understand.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I was wondering the same thing. If they aren't going to impose (well, even if they are) and we have a good case for an appeal of the strike ruling, then why agree to anything?

Could it be a stall tactic? Yes, your honor, we are still negotiating.

Are we still appealing the decision?

If we approve the TA, is the appeal dead?

 

[The Venture]

What ever happened to all the chest thumping and chanting not one cent?

 

[KaptainKarl]

If they aren't going to impose (well, even if they are) and we have a good case for an appeal of the strike ruling, then why agree to anything?

Because ALPA has no ballz.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Because ALPA has no ballz.

Now saving my 2%.....

 

[gnx99]

Could it be a stall tactic? Yes, your honor, we are still negotiating.

Are we still appealing the decision?

If we approve the TA, is the appeal dead?

All the same questions I have. I'd rather have some crappy terms be imposed for, say 3-4 months, then negotitate something MUCH better later on. If you think about it, the difference between that original ALPA proposal and the imposed terms are only 2.5%

 

[Terry Hunter]

Just in...

According to sources "close to the situation", if the 3 unions agree to the concessionary deals, XJ mgmt has agreed to exit bankruptcy immediately.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Hmmm. Exit bankruptcy, eh? I have absolutely no idea how that'd help us. Any smart-types out there know?

 

[xjlifer]

Exit Bankruptcy....my .....however will they find the money?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Does that mean we get our million dollar bonus checks? Cause, see then we could take a hit on the hourly, and still come out ahead! My source said they also come with 5 free movie rentals at Blockbuster.

 

[XJWRENCH]

Any word on when the rank and file will find out the details? Has the MEC approved your ( all pilots ) TA?

 

[gnx99]

Wages & Duration
• 5% or 5.5% pay reduction

o 5% wage reduction to all pay rates except 60-76 seat Turbojet Captain rate​

o 5.5% wage reduction to 60-76 seat Turbojet Captain rate​

• 4-year duration if less than 79 aircraft
• 5.5 years if greater than 79 aircraft

Across the Board Increases and Wage Recovery
• Across the Board Increases

o DOS + 1 2.5%​

o DOS + 2 2.5%​

o DOS + 3 1.0%​

o DOS + 4 1.5% or 3% (Duration based on fleet size)​

o DOS + 5 2.0% or 3% (Duration based on fleet size)​

o 1.5% Across the Board increases each year after until new Collective Bargaining Agreement(CBA) achieved​

• Wage Recovery (In addition to ATB increases)

o Increases of 0.12% or 0.125% (76 seat jet) per aircraft​

o Up to​

- DOS + 1 0.0%​

- DOS + 2 1.0% or 1.5% (76 seat jet)​

- DOS + 3 2.0%​

- DOS + 4 1.0%​

o If we receive 36 or more additional aircraft full wage recovery would be achieved by DOS + 4​

Seat Ranges
• All scales remain the same except:

o 60-69 seat Turbojet Captain Rate increased to 60-76 seat range​

o Add pay scales for 19 and 20 Years of Service to 60-76 seat Turbojet Captain Rate​

o 56-74 seat Turboprop rate paid at 40-59 seat Captain Turbojet Rate​

Per Diem
• Frozen at $1.55 until DOS + 4
• $1.65 at DOS + 4 and thereafter

Uniform Allowance
• DOS $0.00
• DOS + 1 $0.00
• DOS + 2 $50.00
• DOS + 3 $75.00
• DOS + 4 $235.00
• $235.00 thereafter

Vacation
• All pilots with 2 or more weeks of vacation will forgo 1 week in 2007

Multi-Class Bids I & II
• One time contract relief
• Accounts for approximately 25% of our concessions

Health Insurance
• Increase premium share to 33% from 30%
• No changes to Plan 1 deductibles, co-pays, and out-of-pocket until Jan. 1, 2009
• Limits changes to deductibles, co-pay or max out-of-pocket to 5% annual increase or industry average
• Secure prescription plan in CBA
• Modify prescription drug coverage

o $10 co-pay generic​

o $500 deductible for name brand​

o $50 co-pay for name brand after $500 deductible met​

o No coverage for name brand if generic is available​

• Language more specific than current book added to CBA

Short-Term Disability
• Reduce benefits from 66.6% to 60%

Long-Term Disability and Loss of License
• Reduced benefits from 66.6% of wages to 60%
• Benefits based on years of service

o Less than 1 year of service 1 year of benefits​

o 1-2 years of service 2 years of benefits​

o 2-3 years of service 3 years of benefits​

o 3 or more years of service benefit to age 65​

Scheduling
• 1 year of CDO Deconsolidation (pre 2004 CBA rules)

o After 1 year return to CDO Consolidation​

o Enhanced Integration rules​

• Preferential Bidding System(PBS) after 1 year

o Improved PBS after 1 year or 60 total aircraft​

Freezes
• 24-month Captain training freeze

o Returns to current book (12-month freeze) at DOS + 4​

• 24-month freeze on move to equal or lower paying position

o Permanent​

Voluntary Moving Expenses
• Suspend 2 weeks hotel and per diem until DOS + 4

Training Hotel Buy-Out
• Allow pilots to voluntarily receive one-half of hotel costs during Long-Term Training if they voluntarily forgo hotel during training

SAT Adjustment
• Initial one time adjustment of SAT times with activation of FMS/GPS
Miscellaneous Improvements
• Call In Honest policy improved
• Flex Spending Account Health Reimbursement increased to $6,000 annually
• Furlough Recall Rights improved

Provisions on Duration
• Open 6 months prior to amendable date
• Mediator to be utilized at either parties’ request
• 1.5% annual ATB raises each year after

Profit Sharing
• 20% of profits from 4% - 8%
• 25% of profits from 8% - 12%
• 30% of profits over 12%
• Shared with all Mesaba employees
• Paid in cash
• Suspend at Section 6 opener

Claim
• $14.2 million
• We receive the same percentage value as the Unsecured Creditors’ Committee receives
• To be paid out to the pilot group in a to-be-determined manner

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

and Mesaba will only reduce the SAT times to the extent that the reduction "is reasonably expected to occur."

Reasonably expect mentioned 10 times.

Extent possible mentioned twice. (CDOs)

I wish I could add language like that to my contracts. Pay my mortgage as often as possible. . . Show up to the extent possible. . .

Okay, back to not understanding lawyerese. . . .

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I don't see anything in there about each pilot getting to kick Spongie in the nuts before he is required to quit on DOS. . .

 

[gnx99]

Can any Mesa pilots post your current Jet FO rates? Going off the rounded rates on airlinepilotcentral.com (might be old?), it appears that

• Mesaba Jet FO rates will be LOWER THAN MESA in many cases!!!! Namely seniority years 2,3,4 & 5.

• Turboprop FO rates will still be significantly higher though.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong

 

[redflyer65]

So again, how does the company go back to the judge with 5-6% wage cuts after demanding 19% month after month. I mean how do you hold a straight face when you say ah, yea we didn't need that but we are good now. What a crock. Good luck guys.

 

[gnx99]

Oh jeez! I looks like CRJ900 Captain rates will be less than Mesa too?? Please someone check my math and tell me I'm wrong.:angryfire

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

19.4% savings, not 19.4% wage cuts.

 

[Terry Hunter]

So again, how does the company go back to the judge with 5-6% wage cuts after demanding 19% month after month. I mean how do you hold a straight face when you say ah, yea we didn't need that but we are good now. What a crock. Good luck guys.

The difference is (always has been) in the work rule reductions.

 

[gnx99]

Getting 36 airplanes (or any airplanes) is pure speculation at this point though.

 

[DoinTime]

Oh jeez! I looks like CRJ900 Captain rates will be less than Mesa too?? Please someone check my math and tell me I'm wrong.:angryfire

It's not something you can make a direct comparison of because Mesaba has a 76 seat cap on the CRJ900's and Mesa does not.

If you do make a direct comparison Mesa enjoys payrates that are approximately 4% higher than Mesaba. This only speaks to payrates and not total compensation.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Below = NO!

 

[gnx99]

It's not something you can make a direct comparison of because Mesaba has a 76 seat cap on the CRJ900's and Mesa does not.

If you do make a direct comparison Mesa enjoys payrates that are approximately 4% higher than Mesaba. This only speaks to payrates and not total compensation.

Yeah good point. The Mesaba TA CRJ900 rates are about $2 more than the Mesa CRJ700 rates. But you're still flying the same plane, for less money. They also guarantee an extra hour of pay vs. Mesaba.

I have no clue on Mesa health insurance...

Here's another perspective.
Mesaba TA CRJ900, 5th year Captain= $64.39
Horizon CRJ700, 5th year Captain= $80

Again you'll need to double check my math.

 

[Mysteryofflight]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... NOT ONE #$%^&*+ CENT!

 

[Hulk Hogan]

The Jet FO rates are low because of the blended rates with the Saab. Directly related, the Saab FO rates are high because of the blended rates with the Jet FO.