Duane Woerth Ousted?

[Detroitpilot22]

is this the wild card that he had up his sleeve for mesaba?

 

[Skyward]

A national contract is a long way off, but a good start would be ALPA national setting certain contract mins and if XYZ airlines TA doesn't meet those standards don't sign it. The ALPA pres. has that power now.

 

[filejw]

Skyward is right in that is the way to start. Nobody said it wouldn't be a lot of hard work to get this done.

 

[8HourPilot]

I was thinking the same thing.

Go Tigers

is this the wild card that he had up his sleeve for mesaba?

 

[ReportCanoa]

You all think this shakeup is about regional pilots, their pitiful work rules and double-occupancy hotel rooms? Well, you're right. The first thing the "new" ALPA is going to do is throw the regional pilots they represent under the bus in effort to get back what they [legacy pilots] have lost.

The only positive thing that may come of this regime change will be the eventual elimination of the RJ as we know it.

Oh well.

 

[samfu_1]

Has Capt. Prater stated he would seek a guild style of representation?

How is that even possible with the various airlines and their pilot groups (NPA, APA, IPA, SAPA, SWAPA, etc)? Even if you could do it at all ALPA carriers, how would National address the various amendable dates? How would such a 'national standard contract' be negotiated and applied? Would it simply be a baseline for each carrier to improve on, or would it be much more far-reaching? How would things such as blended rates be addressed?

Academic discussion is one thing, but application of such a proposal is entirely another...

Just wondering...What is "guild-style" representation?

 

[TinGoose1]

It's about friggin time. Min pay rates, national negotiators, a centralized power structure within the union, and everything else that should have been done years ago. It's time for our union to actually put up a fight. We should put most, if not all of the senior leadership of ALPA on the street. These jokers have stolen as much from us as the CEO's that they claimed to fight. If nothing other than the fact that the new guy is being payed a current line pilot rate, he has my vote. Woerth was worthless.

 

[ballsdeep123]

You all think this shakeup is about regional pilots, their pitiful work rules and double-occupancy hotel rooms? Well, you're right. The first thing the "new" ALPA is going to do is throw the regional pilots they represent under the bus in effort to get back what they [legacy pilots] have lost.

The only positive thing that may come of this regime change will be the eventual elimination of the RJ as we know it.

Oh well.

One of the new Vice Presidents in ALPA National is an American Eagle pilot. That might help the regional's interests out a little bit, but who knows.

 

[PCL_128]

One of the new Vice Presidents in ALPA National is an American Eagle pilot. That might help the regional's interests out a little bit, but who knows.

Correct. Captain Bill Couette was elected to the position of VP-Admin, replacing Captain Rice who was elected to First VP. I spent some time talking with Bill over the past few days as he campaigned, and he's an excellent man. A "true believer," if you will. Bill is focused on organizing efforts to bring new pilot groups into ALPA, and that's something that he has extensive experience in. He'll be an excellent addition to this Association, and I was very happy to see him elected.

 

[Bizjet]

Correct. Captain Bill Couette was elected to the position of VP-Admin, replacing Captain Rice who was elected to First VP. I spent some time talking with Bill over the past few days as he campaigned, and he's an excellent man. A "true believer," if you will. Bill is focused on organizing efforts to bring new pilot groups into ALPA, and that's something that he has extensive experience in. He'll be an excellent addition to this Association, and I was very happy to see him elected.

Bill Couette is a top notch guy and will do an excellent job. John Prater is also a much needed change.

 

[RJP]

I was thinking the same thing.

Go Tigers

Au revoir Duane. Tigers in 5!

DETROIT!:beer:

 

[Soverytired]

Prater is a 767 Captain at Continental if I'm not mistaken. I like the idea that he is not accepting a salary any larger than his current position pays him. This is an indication that his motives are pure and he can't be bought.

Hell yeah!

DW has been collecting a cool 1/2 million a year in salary for years. Plus expenses. And I think he gets a pension to boot.

Very impressed if Prater can stick to his guns on this one. The temptation, I suspect, is huge. Especially since other ALPA officers will be talking more $$$ home than him just based on their ALPA salaries.

 

[Bizjet]

Hell yeah!

DW has been collecting a cool 1/2 million a year in salary for years. Plus expenses. And I think he gets a pension to boot.

Very impressed if Prater can stick to his guns on this one. The temptation, I suspect, is huge. Especially since other ALPA officers will be talking more $$$ home than him just based on their ALPA salaries.

He should not pay himself less than the pay formula allowed. His job is 24/7 and if he only makes what he could flying the line he will soon burn out. We are not going broke paying our ALPA president a salary that is pale in comparison to what airline CEO's make for trashing our careers. As pilots we demand top performance from our elected officers and we have the ability to hold them accountable. They should hold us accountable for pay reflecting our demands. The office of president is for four years and any individual can run for the office.

 

[Morning Wood]

Boiler. It wouldn't be a airline specific problem if we had and national standard contract.

I'm curious how a national standard contract is possible when everyone's contract is due at a different time and each airline's financial well-being is not the same.

 

[SEVEN]

With this clown out, maybe we can finally start to rebuild the mess he let slide on his watch. I agree that after 9-11 a restructuring needed to take place, but Duane allowed management to line their pockets while the rest of us got knocked down further than we should have. Duane allowed the pilot profession to be turned in to a laughing stock. The time couldn't have come any sooner. Bye bye Duane. Maybe now you realize you should have been looking out for your fellow pilots instead of your own selfish needs.

 

[blueridge71]

Outstanding. We'll see whtat the future brings, but it's hard to believe that it could be any worse than ALPA's past few years.

 

[XJohXJ]

I'm curious how a national standard contract is possible when everyone's contract is due at a different time and each airline's financial well-being is not the same.

How about a national MINIMUM contract. I assure you that pilot's needs are not very different at all, when it comes to basic minimums like health care, rest requirements, other scheduling limits, and living wages. Starting FO pay, in most cases, is at or below poverty levels for anyone married with kids, and that is simply NOT acceptable, and nothing on any airlines' balance sheets (or the desires of senior pilots) makes that acceptable or OK. Especially when it is the junior pilots always getting furloughed and having to go elsewhere, thus imposing on them an entire career of 1, or 2, or 3 year FO pay at various companies.

And the nice thing about a national standard of MINIMUMS is that it allows any pilot group that is able, to go as far above and beyond as they can manage.

 

[jetpig32]

I guess Duane could still his Dr. Phil show for continued income.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Outstanding. We'll see whtat the future brings, but it's hard to believe that it could be any worse than ALPA's past few years.

You don't suppose that record high oil prices, 9/11, terrorism threats/concerns, SARS, 2 wars, etc...might have had anything to do with it do you?

With that said, I've worked with John on many issues and know him well. He's a great man and will serve the line pilots of ALPA very well. We are lucky to have him step up.

-Neal

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

From Paters website and his "salary"

President's Salary ​

----- Original Message -----
To: John H Prater [[email protected]]
Subject: One, and only one question
John,
If elected, will ALPA's union leaders continue to make as much as 300 to 400% more than even the highest paid member, or will there be financial accountability?
[name redacted]
AWA
From: John H Prater [[email protected]]
Subject: One, and only one question.
[name redacted] ,
While I believe your estimates are [too high] because the Department of Labor reports all expenses as income, the President's salary is set by the BOD and the C&BL. The other National Officers do have a floor salary set by the C&BL, but primarily their income is what they can earn under their own airline contracts.
If elected, I have no problem with the BOD using my potential earnings under my contract to set my salary.
Fraternally,
John

​

What Prater is saying here is he will accept a salary IF THE BOD CHANGES IT!!!! Also, he agrees that ALPA national compensation is over estimated due to expenses reported as income!

IOW, it might not change from DW's time!