Duane Woerth Ousted?

[RJP]

I was thinking the same thing.

Go Tigers

Au revoir Duane. Tigers in 5!

DETROIT!:beer:

 

[Soverytired]

Prater is a 767 Captain at Continental if I'm not mistaken. I like the idea that he is not accepting a salary any larger than his current position pays him. This is an indication that his motives are pure and he can't be bought.

Hell yeah!

DW has been collecting a cool 1/2 million a year in salary for years. Plus expenses. And I think he gets a pension to boot.

Very impressed if Prater can stick to his guns on this one. The temptation, I suspect, is huge. Especially since other ALPA officers will be talking more $$$ home than him just based on their ALPA salaries.

 

[Bizjet]

Hell yeah!

DW has been collecting a cool 1/2 million a year in salary for years. Plus expenses. And I think he gets a pension to boot.

Very impressed if Prater can stick to his guns on this one. The temptation, I suspect, is huge. Especially since other ALPA officers will be talking more $$$ home than him just based on their ALPA salaries.

He should not pay himself less than the pay formula allowed. His job is 24/7 and if he only makes what he could flying the line he will soon burn out. We are not going broke paying our ALPA president a salary that is pale in comparison to what airline CEO's make for trashing our careers. As pilots we demand top performance from our elected officers and we have the ability to hold them accountable. They should hold us accountable for pay reflecting our demands. The office of president is for four years and any individual can run for the office.

 

[Morning Wood]

Boiler. It wouldn't be a airline specific problem if we had and national standard contract.

I'm curious how a national standard contract is possible when everyone's contract is due at a different time and each airline's financial well-being is not the same.

 

[SEVEN]

With this clown out, maybe we can finally start to rebuild the mess he let slide on his watch. I agree that after 9-11 a restructuring needed to take place, but Duane allowed management to line their pockets while the rest of us got knocked down further than we should have. Duane allowed the pilot profession to be turned in to a laughing stock. The time couldn't have come any sooner. Bye bye Duane. Maybe now you realize you should have been looking out for your fellow pilots instead of your own selfish needs.

 

[blueridge71]

Outstanding. We'll see whtat the future brings, but it's hard to believe that it could be any worse than ALPA's past few years.

 

[XJohXJ]

I'm curious how a national standard contract is possible when everyone's contract is due at a different time and each airline's financial well-being is not the same.

How about a national MINIMUM contract. I assure you that pilot's needs are not very different at all, when it comes to basic minimums like health care, rest requirements, other scheduling limits, and living wages. Starting FO pay, in most cases, is at or below poverty levels for anyone married with kids, and that is simply NOT acceptable, and nothing on any airlines' balance sheets (or the desires of senior pilots) makes that acceptable or OK. Especially when it is the junior pilots always getting furloughed and having to go elsewhere, thus imposing on them an entire career of 1, or 2, or 3 year FO pay at various companies.

And the nice thing about a national standard of MINIMUMS is that it allows any pilot group that is able, to go as far above and beyond as they can manage.

 

[jetpig32]

I guess Duane could still his Dr. Phil show for continued income.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Outstanding. We'll see whtat the future brings, but it's hard to believe that it could be any worse than ALPA's past few years.

You don't suppose that record high oil prices, 9/11, terrorism threats/concerns, SARS, 2 wars, etc...might have had anything to do with it do you?

With that said, I've worked with John on many issues and know him well. He's a great man and will serve the line pilots of ALPA very well. We are lucky to have him step up.

-Neal

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

From Paters website and his "salary"

President's Salary ​

----- Original Message -----
To: John H Prater [[email protected]]
Subject: One, and only one question
John,
If elected, will ALPA's union leaders continue to make as much as 300 to 400% more than even the highest paid member, or will there be financial accountability?
[name redacted]
AWA
From: John H Prater [[email protected]]
Subject: One, and only one question.
[name redacted] ,
While I believe your estimates are [too high] because the Department of Labor reports all expenses as income, the President's salary is set by the BOD and the C&BL. The other National Officers do have a floor salary set by the C&BL, but primarily their income is what they can earn under their own airline contracts.
If elected, I have no problem with the BOD using my potential earnings under my contract to set my salary.
Fraternally,
John

​

What Prater is saying here is he will accept a salary IF THE BOD CHANGES IT!!!! Also, he agrees that ALPA national compensation is over estimated due to expenses reported as income!

IOW, it might not change from DW's time!

 

[PCL_128]

IOW, it might not change from DW's time!

Actually, that's already been decided. Captain Prater's compensation package was voted on during the last day of the BOD meeting. His package is basically unchanged from the package that Captain Woerth has had during his term. I have yet to hear any complaints from Captain Prater about this package, and he certainly didn't request that the Board change the terms.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Do you hear that?

That is the sound of internal thought. Free Will if you will..... DW haters thinking instead of typing.....

 

[DoinTime]

Fighting the "good fight" for regional pilots is not one of Prater's agenda items. He is more inclined to let Congress address this problem (and we all know that won't happen). Small carrier MEC's overwhelmingly voted in favor of Worth for this next term but it was a last minute, back room deal between the Continental and United MEC's that got Prater elected.

Duane Worth at least pretended he cared about regionals. If you think Prater is going to turn things around for small carriers at ALPA you really have no clue of whats really happening at ALPA national.

 

[Sig]

Duane Worth at least pretended he cared about regionals.

Well thank this Worth fellow for me, whoever he is. But Duane Woerth was (is) a lying arsehole with regard to the regional I work for.

 

[Speedtape]

With this clown out, maybe we can finally start to rebuild the mess he let slide on his watch. I agree that after 9-11 a restructuring needed to take place, but Duane allowed management to line their pockets while the rest of us got knocked down further than we should have. Duane allowed the pilot profession to be turned in to a laughing stock. The time couldn't have come any sooner. Bye bye Duane. Maybe now you realize you should have been looking out for your fellow pilots instead of your own selfish needs.

Your assessment of current conditions and what happened after 9/11 is completely skewed. Duane didn't have the power to stop any of the things you blame him for. Take a reality check and do some research. Apparently, a majority of the Directors felt like it was time for a change. However, that does not reflect or deflect on Duane's contributions to ALPA. The last 6 years of his 8 years as President have been the darkest days of this industry, as well as ALPA. In addition, the political landscape is controlled by a very pro-management, anti-labor political party.

Given that those conditions have not changed, a simple change in leadership will not make a difference!

 

[Sig]

Duane didn't have the power to stop any of the things you blame him for.

I realize this was in response to another post, but it appears to be a blanket defense against anything Duane's blamed for.

I specifically blame Duane for specifically lying to my pilot group and screwing us over. By and large, yes he did have to power to not be such an insufferable piece of dross- so I blame him. We sued. Who cares- the union as a whole didn't.

Hey- howsbou' this: There is only ONE contract signed by ALPA that is specifically affected by the age 65 rule. ONE. Position taken by our esteemed leadress? Well, it's just one- so that ain't much. I mean, we're a union and all, but hey- it's just one contract.

Piedmont's contract is the one.

 

[Speedtape]

I realize this was in response to another post, but it appears to be a blanket defense against anything Duane's blamed for.

I specifically blame Duane for specifically lying to my pilot group and screwing us over. By and large, yes he did have to power to not be such an insufferable piece of dross- so I blame him. We sued. Who cares- the union as a whole didn't.

Hey- howsbou' this: There is only ONE contract signed by ALPA that is specifically affected by the age 65 rule. ONE. Position taken by our esteemed leadress? Well, it's just one- so that ain't much. I mean, we're a union and all, but hey- it's just one contract.

Piedmont's contract is the one.

I make no blanket defenses for anyone! Duane has his detractors, as anyone in a political arena would. Any political leader in a democratic institution should always be accountable for his failures, but also given credit for his successes! History will bear out my point! He made great contributions to ALPA!

As far as what really happened on your property, I cannot speak! Your perspective could be quite different based on your claims, if they really happened the way you perceive! Most of the bashing on here is more akin to a "gang mentality." Most are just joining the lynch mob and have no real understanding of the facts! It's always easy to have a scapegoat for your problems.

Well, maybe the new man can fix all the ills! But, I doubt it until the political landscape changes!

My guess is that "one contract for all" would only have support of the "less thans" and not the one's who practice the F.Y.I.G.M. theory!

It has merits, though!

 

[Sig]

and not the one's who practice the F.Y.I.G.M. theory!

It has merits, though!

Here's the thing about that little tidbit regarding our contract and the Age 65 dealymahoog: It has zero impact on me. FYIGM doesn't apply, but I'm willing to fight like hayull for my guys that it does impact. Unfortunately, not only does this affect only one contract, it affects only a fraction of the pilots who work under that contract. Nobody really cares at my level, which stinks. Union? Unified? What? I'm not retiring here, who cares about a social security bridge?

So it goes.