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Airline spreads blame in fatal crash

By Mark Pitsch
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The Courier-Journal


Comair sued Blue Grass Airport in Lexington and the federal government yesterday, saying they must "share responsibility" for the August crash of a regional jet that killed 49 people.

Unsafe runways and taxiways, improper lighting and signage, inaccurate maps, and the use of one air traffic controller instead of two led Flight 5191 pilots to leave from the wrong runway, according to the lawsuit filed in federal district court in Lexington.



Facing at least 11 lawsuits related to the crash, the company asked a federal judge to assign blame to the Federal Aviation Administration, the airport board and owner, and 20 airport employees, and require financial contributions to the airline.

"Comair is committed to ensuring prompt, fair and reasonable compensation for the families and all victims of this tragic accident," Don Bornhorst, Comair president, said in a statement. "We filed the lawsuit and the administrative claim to help resolve in a timely manner how costs for the victims' families are shared fairly and reasonably among all parties who share responsibility for this accident."

Laura Brown, an FAA spokeswoman, couldn't be reached for comment yesterday.

In a statement, the airport said: "Blue Grass Airport has provided, provides and will continue to provide a safe environment for the arrival and departure of aircraft. We are disappointed that Comair has chosen to make ill-founded claims against the Airport Board, its members and employees. Blue Grass Airport will continue to serve our community with a safe and secure environment for the operation of aircraft."

Robert Spragg, an aviation lawyer in New York who represents the family of crash victim George Brunacini, said yesterday it is not unusual for an airline in Comair's situation to file a suit to try to reduce its financial liability.

"It will all depend on the facts of the case. If a jury decides the air traffic controller is at fault, or, if they resolve the immunity issue and the airport authority is somehow responsible because of the taxiways, they'll be successful," Spragg said of Comair.

Spragg said Brunacini's family hasn't filed suit but expects to do so. Comair will be named as a defendant in that suit, but it's not clear if the FAA or Blue Grass Airport will be, Spragg said.

But he said Comair's action likely will mean the FAA and the airport will become defendants in all victims' suits.

Stanley Chesley, a Cincinnati lawyer who represents the families of victims JoAnn Wright and Cecile Moscoe, said: "I believe there's culpability on all three, but the most culpability is with Comair."

Tressie Long, a Comair spokeswoman, acknowledged that the airline bears some responsibility for the crash. But she said it is for the courts to decide how much.

"Comair, just like any other airline, has a responsibility to safely transport our passengers but safety is also the responsibility of not just the airlines but of every organization involved in commercial aviation."

Flight 5191 crashed early Aug. 27 in a field about a half-mile from the airport. All 47 passengers and two crew members died; co-pilot James Polehinke survived.

The plane tried to take off from the airport's 3,500-foot runway 26 instead of the 7,000-foot runway 22. Runway 26, which is too small to handle commercial aircraft, has been closed since the crash.

The accident occurred about one week after construction changed the taxiways at the airport.

The crash remains under investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board.

But in the lawsuit, Comair said the plane lined up on the wrong runway for several reasons, including:

The FAA assigned only one air traffic controller to work at the time of the crash, a violation of its own policy, and the controller didn't view the plane taxiing to the runway.

Airport employees failed to make sure that "runways and taxiways were at all times in a safe and unobstructed condition" and complied with government regulations.

Airport employees gave inaccurate information to the federal government about the airport layout, which was passed on to pilots.

Airport lighting, signage and markers "were not as required by the ordinary standards of care or by law and/or regulation and were missing or confusing."

Construction barriers blocked the view and access to the proper runway.

Comair is a Delta Connection carrier and a subsidiary of Delta Air Lines. Its headquarters is in Erlanger, Ky., and it employs 6,500 people.

In a related development, Blue Grass Airport announced that it has resumed taxiway construction delayed by the crash, according to the Associated Press.

The shorter runway that Comair 5191 mistakenly used will reopen by Thanksgiving, airport officials said.

All construction was delayed by Blue Grass Airport and by court order shortly after the crash so the airport could be examined by experts on behalf of victims' families who have filed lawsuits.

The project will build a new taxiway connection to the 7,000-foot runway for commercial flights and demolish the taxiway connection that Flight 5191 should have used.


Why not sue Bombardier for making a plane that won't take of from a runway that is too short?
 
Airline spreads blame in fatal crash




Why not sue Bombardier for making a plane that won't take of from a runway that is too short?

You can guarantee Bombardier is going to be named in the suit... this is America, it's everyone elses fault. They need to sue the guy that owns the land off rwy 26. There were trees and upsloping terrain. Had the land been flat and level with the airport that airplane might have made it.
 
Why not sue Bombardier for making a plane that won't take of from a runway that is too short?

Well if you knew anything about the history and politics of this airport over the last 15 years you'd understand that Comair has a chance at a very good case.
 
Well if you knew anything about the history and politics of this airport over the last 15 years you'd understand that Comair has a chance at a very good case.

Well of course they do, and they probably will win.

Dumba$$ smokers win law suits against the tobacco industry because they convince juries that they didn't know smoking cigarettes was harmful and they were misled by advertisers. Just because you can win a lawsuit doesn't mean you are in the right.

...McDonalds made me fat...sue!!!

No one in this country wants to take responsibility for their actions and the lawyers are always there to back them up (and profit from it.)
 
Well if you knew anything about the history and politics of this airport over the last 15 years you'd understand that Comair has a chance at a very good case.

No amount of history and politics diminishes the fact that the crew neglected to check their heading. Cut and dry. Comair is acting no differently than the general population...passing the buck.
 
No amount of history and politics diminishes the fact that the crew neglected to check their heading. Cut and dry. Comair is acting no differently than the general population...passing the buck.

Baron, go research what has been going on with the airport board in LEX, the former mayor, and the decision to change the master plan (which called for building a parallel runway and closing 26 for safety reasons), the removal of a highly respected airport director, his replacement with a complete goober of an airport director, and this current plan the airport is following with regard to runway issues. It goes back about 15 years. Nobody is saying the crew has no blame in this. However, the airport has its issues as well, which will hopefully come out in the discovery process.
 
Baron, go research what has been going on with the airport board in LEX, the former mayor, and the decision to change the master plan (which called for building a parallel runway and closing 26 for safety reasons), the removal of a highly respected airport director, his replacement with a complete goober of an airport director, and this current plan the airport is following with regard to runway issues. It goes back about 15 years. Nobody is saying the crew has no blame in this. However, the airport has its issues as well, which will hopefully come out in the discovery process.

You must be an attorney for one of the plaintiffs. Are you saying that because a parallel runway was never built, or that the airport director is a "goober", the crew had no way of knowing they were on the wrong runway?
Here...I'll make it simple. The crew was completely to blame for the outcome. Unfortunate, but true. They are (the crew) the last line of defense the flying public has to protect them. Unless they discover that some nefarious mechanic repainted the compass and did some electronic magic to the PFD, the only people that share the blame are the Captain and the copilot. Don't get me wrong. I feel terrible for the crew and their families. It only takes a second of inattention for something bad to happen; and that could happen to any of us at any time. But feeling empathy for the crew doesn't cloud my vision to the sad fact that this was a preventable, pilot error induced accident.
 
Baron, are you always this pompous about things that you (obvioiusly) know nothing about (law)? Why don't you explain the finer points of open heart surgery or the fuel injection system of an F1 car? I'm sure we would all like to hear your thoughts.
 
Does anyone know if this crew was on a "stand up" or "reduced rest"? If so, I hope someone goes after the FAA/FAR's for allowing such buffoonery. The general public really needs to know about FAR's that allow pilots to be scheduled to fly when their bodies are saying it's time for sleep.

If these guy had plenty of rest then I'll save my rant for another time. But it is still a major safety issue facing our industry.
 
Yes, NEITHER were on short overnight, or "Stand up". The numbers aren't exact, but the capt had 27hr overnight, and the FO 18. Something like that, but not a short night. With the old taxiway system, that airport was a nightmare. It looked like you had to cross the active runway then get on a tiny cart path to the other runway. At night, it was an extreme mess. If the airport changed signs and lights, I can see this pretty easily.

As a side, I don't think it's anybodies fault except....
THE ENGINE MANUFACTURER!!! Their Loaded. The sad part, even down to the seat manufacturer, will be in a conference call during some point soon.


No matter who's fault, HORRIBLE SITUATION!
 
You must be an attorney for one of the plaintiffs. Are you saying that because a parallel runway was never built, or that the airport director is a "goober", the crew had no way of knowing they were on the wrong runway?

No, I'm not an attorney, but I know many people involved in this mess (including one who was killed) and I can tell you its not as simple as you seem to think it is.

The crew was completely to blame for the outcome.

So when did you go to work for the NTSB Baron?

This airport has some serious skeletons in the closet, and I'm glad the attorneys for Comair are going to lay the wood to them.
 
This airport has some serious skeletons in the closet, and I'm glad the attorneys for Comair are going to lay the wood to them.


So what you are saying is there were issues at this airport that everyone knew were unsafe and yet airline management continued to operate out of a known unsafe airfield?

What steps did Comair management/safety department take to address these issues with the people they are now blaming/sueing?
 
This is a public forum. All I am willing to say is the airport has issues, and hopefully they will be exposed in these suits. What is likely however, is everybody will settle out of court and none will see the light of day. It would be nice if the NTSB addresses some of them, but I'm not holding my breath on that either.

That being said, its pretty sad when people want to go on a public forum and shoot their mouths off, when the NTSB hasn't even finished their work.
 
That being said, its pretty sad when people want to go on a public forum and shoot their mouths off, when the NTSB hasn't even finished their work.

What's really sad is that when a family member has an untimely passing, people (lawyers and families) get rich off of it. I got an idea....if you are worried that the bread winner in your family might die, don't rely on lawsuits to get you through.....get your own career as a back up (or life insurance). It's pathetic really.
 
Baron, are you always this pompous about things that you (obvioiusly) know nothing about (law)? Why don't you explain the finer points of open heart surgery or the fuel injection system of an F1 car? I'm sure we would all like to hear your thoughts.

Are you saying I don't know that the crew lined up on the wrong runway? Pretty indisputable fact. Can't help you on the open heart surgery or the fuel injection on an F1 car. I did find this one little regulation that might help you out though. It's kinda' like a law. (kinda' like means similar)

Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
PART 91—GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES
Subpart A—General

§ 91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.

(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.


So, the airport has issues. A lot of airports have issues. Why do you view this as some personal attack when it isn't? People screw up, they make mistakes. It happens all the time. This time it was tragic. Are there mitigating factors? Sure. But the crew is still, in the end, the one that lined up on the wrong runway and didn't catch their mistake.
 
The taxiway changes were AFTER you crossed 26 taxing out, not before. The construction and the taxiway changes are completely irrelevent. Besides, it was NOTAMed.
 
No, I'm not an attorney, but I know many people involved in this mess (including one who was killed) and I can tell you its not as simple as you seem to think it is.



So when did you go to work for the NTSB Baron?

This airport has some serious skeletons in the closet, and I'm glad the attorneys for Comair are going to lay the wood to them.

Sorry to hear you lost a friend. I have lost way too many friends and coworkers over the years in aviation accidents. Afterwards, I always felt somewhat cheated when the NTSB would lay the bulk of the responsibility for the accidents at the feet of people that I knew to be capable pilots. But sometimes you have to face the facts.
It really is that simple. The crew lined up on the wrong runway. No one else magically put them there. No one painted a big 22 on the runway or gave it precision markings. There is no weird magnetic field at the threshold that interferes with the compass. It was a simple, tragic mistake.

And FWIW, I worked with (not for) the NTSB on two accident investigations.
A great learning experience that I wouldn't wish on anyone.
 
What's really sad is that when a family member has an untimely passing, people (lawyers and families) get rich off of it. I got an idea....if you are worried that the bread winner in your family might die, don't rely on lawsuits to get you through.....get your own career as a back up (or life insurance). It's pathetic really.

The night you make your first speech as president, I'm going drunk driving on a mission...to see how many mini-vans with baby on board stickers I can P.I.T. manuver into rolling. Lawsuit reform, bring it on!
 

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