Big annoncement by CAL tomorrow

[WSurf]

Love how this Thread went from 'Big News for Cal tomorrow'! To The General's Bash Session!!! Long Live Lee!!!

 

[homerjdispatch]

quoata is up

No, in reality when I am home I do 20-30. That seems about right. I have to respond to all of my "fans." And, I have a great life. Thanks for caring.


Bye Bye--General Lee

gen,

Time to slide away from the keyboard. You are at your 30 post limit.

You have posted 30 posts in the last 2 days!!!

 

[WSurf]

I don't think you are spending much time with the family General, if your posting that much!!! And I thought I posted a bunch!!! lol Homer!!

 

[Ponchus pilot]

Well junior, it's like this. I do not work for a Regional.

When you say you "make more", what are you comparing. Total W2? How many hours does the example pilot fly? How many TAFB hours is he exposed to? How many days off in a month does said pilot get?

And about the rants, if your numbers are correct on your screen name you haven't been around long enough to rant. If you have to do it, do it to your mommy. She's use to it by now.

He is right. You dont see the other side of why those rules are in place. They have traditionally been really short on pilots and they fly the hell out of everyone. yes you might fly 100 hrs and get paid 115 hrs but you are probably working at least 20 days a month as well. This way they hire less and less cost in all aspects incuding training and reserves. Not to mention that you have PBS as well.

 

[Hobit]

as you said I was unaware.

That is the way it goes.

Seems to be a trend around here.

 

[justenjoyflyin]

No

Doesn't Expressjets FOs fly 50 seat A/C for 37 seat pay? I'm not trying to be argumentative here but everyone needs to understand that a RAH FO has no say in what AC he/she flies. The min. time, interview et cetera is the same for all and the company just puts you where they need you at the time. Also a FO can’t bid for another A/C until upgrade; so a single pay rate on the FO side is the only fair option. The rate should however reflect the % the 170 makes up of our fleet and be increased accordingly. IE if 30% of our fleet is 170s then:
Fair rate for 145: Y
Fair rate for 170: Y+15%
Then FO pay-rate: [Yx70+(Y+15%)x30]/100

I work for xjt and we dont have any pay differences FO wise between 37 and 50 seat pay, 22 something first yr and 33 second yr ( that isnt 37 seat pay the last I checked) ,,, and in another rumor CAL is not so happy with chq right now it is costing more to get this crj program working then it is worth that is why classes for the crj flying at chq has been pushed back not to mention they cant find any aeroplanes.

 

[General Lee]

Seems to be a trend around here.

Wow, that was a great statement. You are a genius.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

If Wsurf is living in New Bern that's a pretty nice area on the ICW. Beats the hell out of living in Hotlanta if you ask me. I could see why he doesn't want to move on if between him and his hot wife they can afford a waterfront home.
Good on ya Wsurf.

I'm just wondering how long it will take GL to answer my 3 questions. Pretty simple stuff really. Maybe he's calling one of the more senior guys asking for help. It's OK to call a lifeline GL. Take your time.

Your 3 questions? Please repeat them so I don't have to go looking for them. I will answer anything you ask. And, do you like his hot wife? That is a bit strange to say that....Hmmmm. 3 way action? Does he allow that? Weird.

And, New Bern is great, except for Boss Hogg and Kletus. Living North of ATL is great, though.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

OK let's review.

Which pilot group allowed their scope clause to be modified permitting DAL to use CRJ's in the first place?

Which pilot group allowed those CRJ's to be flown by pilots not on the DAL seniority list because they didn't want their squadron buds to have to start their 121 career in anything smaller than an MD-80?

Which pilot group capped the scope clause at 50 seats forcing management to use very inefficient aircraft?

The first step to dealing with a problem is admitting your role in creating it.
When you manage to get your head removed from your anal cavity on this subject we'll discuss the matter further.

I think I found the questions. Here you go:

1. We foolishly gave up scope in the mid and late 90s. We all know that was letting the cat out of the bag. We allowed UNLIMITED 50 seaters, and then gave some allowance to 70 seaters when times were great (1999, 2000). That will never happen to that extent again. We may modify some scope (like we did in the last TA), because we will always have to negotiate a bit in any bargaining.

2. We also balked at having our "squadron" buds flying the 50 seat RJs when times were good. We never thought something like 9-11 would happen---totally changing the landscape. But, as RJs grew and started replacing our smaller mainline planes, we started to change our minds, which people CAN do. We aren't droids, even though you may think so. We actually got pay rates for CR9s and E175s for this last TA. SkyWest will be flying CR9 equipment, but not the full allotment of seats. IF they want that, they can see we have the pay rate already.

3. Capped the seats at 50? That is called scope. Inefficient aircraft? That is not our fault--that is management's fault with respect to deals made with the feed companies. They need to get leaner, and our company cannot make outragous fuel deals with the likes of Ron Reber at SkyWest. That needs to change, and Comair is learning that their feed is expensive, and you will too. We are not feeding you, you are feeding us. IF our company wants cheaper feed and you don't want to provide it, they will go to Mesa. Don't expect your pay rates to go up much, because you are in competition with Mesa for our business. Sad but true.

AS far as creating this problem, we probably did. Our TA had to give a little, primarily because we were and are in BK, and a judge was watching. Overall, we have pay rates for CR9s and up, and if they want to use those planes (with the full 90 seats and up), they know what to do. We also have weight limits on gross weight, and that CR9 SkyWest uses with only 76 seats fits in there. We set the limit and we gave a limit on numbers too. We are addressing the problem the best way we could in the situation we are under---BK. You cannot deny that we were in a corner when we signed the TA, but it was the way to go in the end.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mookie]

General Lee...Charter member of the Famous Actors Guild.

so, Gen, now that I work at a mainline, does what I say mean more????
Mookie

 

[Palomino]

I think I found the questions. Here you go:

1. We foolishly gave up scope in the mid and late 90s. We all know that was letting the cat out of the bag. We allowed UNLIMITED 50 seaters, and then gave some allowance to 70 seaters when times were great (1999, 2000). That will never happen to that extent again. We may modify some scope (like we did in the last TA), because we will always have to negotiate a bit in any bargaining.

2. We also balked at having our "squadron" buds flying the 50 seat RJs when times were good. We never thought something like 9-11 would happen---totally changing the landscape. But, as RJs grew and started replacing our smaller mainline planes, we started to change our minds, which people CAN do. We aren't droids, even though you may think so. We actually got pay rates for CR9s and E175s for this last TA. SkyWest will be flying CR9 equipment, but not the full allotment of seats. IF they want that, they can see we have the pay rate already.

3. Capped the seats at 50? That is called scope. Inefficient aircraft? That is not our fault--that is management's fault with respect to deals made with the feed companies. They need to get leaner, and our company cannot make outragous fuel deals with the likes of Ron Reber at SkyWest. That needs to change, and Comair is learning that their feed is expensive, and you will too. We are not feeding you, you are feeding us. IF our company wants cheaper feed and you don't want to provide it, they will go to Mesa. Don't expect your pay rates to go up much, because you are in competition with Mesa for our business. Sad but true.

AS far as creating this problem, we probably did. Our TA had to give a little, primarily because we were and are in BK, and a judge was watching. Overall, we have pay rates for CR9s and up, and if they want to use those planes (with the full 90 seats and up), they know what to do. We also have weight limits on gross weight, and that CR9 SkyWest uses with only 76 seats fits in there. We set the limit and we gave a limit on numbers too. We are addressing the problem the best way we could in the situation we are under---BK. You cannot deny that we were in a corner when we signed the TA, but it was the way to go in the end.


Bye Bye--General Lee

exactly what Continental pilots have to prevent from happening. i hope we can. it's only a matter of time before the play is made.

the term 'regional jet' needs to be shredded, burned and vaporized. the term applies to an Embraer or Canadair as much as it does to a BBJ. Embraer and Canadair are just as responsible for the wage-lowering label as any group is.

it's a wonder that the dc9, Fokker 28/100, BAC 111 didn't have a large Express label on them straight from the factory.

clever marketing and media promotion of the term 'regional pilots' has cost pilots a respectable level of earning. that effect has propogated over to the mainline operation as an unfortunate part of negotiations.

fact is...no one wins with scope. scope would be entirely unnecessary if pilots could trust their management. i'd venture a guess that earnings by all parties - management, shareholders, pilots - would be similar or better if their were simply mainline carriers flying all mainline labelled airplanes regardless of size.

but as the field plays out in this modern arrangement...i hope we at Continental are able to cling to our scope with ferocious vigor.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Jesus, Muhammed, and Buddha....

Can we please close this thread now?

 

[Hobit]

Wow, that was a great statement. You are a genius.

Bye Bye--General Lee

ohhhhh BURN!!!!!!
This guy is pompous AND slow!

 

[General Lee]

General Lee...Charter member of the Famous Actors Guild.

so, Gen, now that I work at a mainline, does what I say mean more????
Mookie

Present the facts, and I will debate them, regardless if you are at a mainline or not. I do not discriminate. If you make a good point, I will agree with you. It is as simple as that. If you are at SkyWest though, I will still make fun of you. Sorry.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

exactly what Continental pilots have to prevent from happening. i hope we can. it's only a matter of time before the play is made.

the term 'regional jet' needs to be shredded, burned and vaporized. the term applies to an Embraer or Canadair as much as it does to a BBJ. Embraer and Canadair are just as responsible for the wage-lowering label as any group is.

it's a wonder that the dc9, Fokker 28/100, BAC 111 didn't have a large Express label on them straight from the factory.

clever marketing and media promotion of the term 'regional pilots' has cost pilots a respectable level of earning. that effect has propogated over to the mainline operation as an unfortunate part of negotiations.

fact is...no one wins with scope. scope would be entirely unnecessary if pilots could trust their management. i'd venture a guess that earnings by all parties - management, shareholders, pilots - would be similar or better if their were simply mainline carriers flying all mainline labelled airplanes regardless of size.

but as the field plays out in this modern arrangement...i hope we at Continental are able to cling to our scope with ferocious vigor.

Good points. But, scope is needed because managements change. And, look at Comair and ASA. They both went for the money on their previous contracts, and left out scope, thinking they could not possibly be replaced. Look what is happening to them now. Can the RJDC go after other regionals?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

ohhhhh BURN!!!!!!
This guy is pompous AND slow!

"Wut wut?" ---The Stuttering Rapper


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SuperKooter]

Is this another false announcement? Where is it

 

[Gofish]

Nothing is more important than scope. I have high hopes that all mainline MEC's can keep it in house from here on out. It would be better for everyone in the long run and pilots might start getting along instead of fighting.