Its all up to Comair now!

[Stifler's Mom]

Without ALPA, or any union for that matter, what do you think management would have done? That's right, force it upon the pilots from the get go.

 

[ziggy06]

Oh and for all you Comair folks out there, I just don't trust this management team anymore. Ran into a guy who's brother coaches one of Fred Betrayal's kid in a sport . . . guess what? His family is moving to Houston. Too hard on his family? Please. Then, when Fred Betrayal didn't work, they give us Don. See, Don is supposed to be a home grown type of guy that has been with company forever. We know him. We trust him. He's trying to do what's best. You can trust Don!!! I mean he's been here forever, right? Give me a break with that one.

Oh yea, not one red cent. OK, I am done for now.

Oh, maybe not.

And for all you first year guys out there who are scared to death that they are going to get furloughed, don't worry, if this sh***&&%^&* hits the fan, I'm going to quit and work at Home Depot. MAYBE WalMart if I can get a better schedule. So, I figure I'm doing my part to keep one of the UE line. So, whoever you are, you can thank me now and hate me later.

 

[DrewBlows]

The company has stopped negotiating. I'm happy that they have scheduled more dates, but I have doubts that they will be able to get a deal. The reality is that we are negotiating with Delta, and if they don't want to move, we won't get a deal. Delta is the only entity that can control Comair's future.

I find it laughable that Don Bornhorst would say "you should all ask ALPA what their plans are for your career" (paraphrasing). I don't know about other's experience, but I interviewed with Comair (not ALPA), I work for Comair, and Comair pays me. I haven't seen a memo that states that this situation has changed, and I doubt that Comair is going to hand operational control to ALPA anytime soon. ALPA's role is to negotiate contract and represent our interest in quality of life issues. ALPA doesn't decide how many airplanes Comair will operate or how many will be furloughed if airplanes go away. Delta makes those decisions, and at the end of the day if Delta decides they don't want Comair to exist as we all know it, they can make that decision. I think it sucks, but there's not a lot I can do about it, is there?

I think that the company has agreed to the additional negotiations on the off chance that ALPA will cave (because of the October 2 deadline), but I seriously doubt that they have decided to negotiate. They haven't up to this point, so why should they now?

On another note, I think that October 2 is a non-existant (or at least self-imposed) deadline. Delta is set to come out bankruptcy early next year and has already started reporting profits. They want to take advantage of the bankruptcy process while they still can, and have to get DCI deals before they exit bankruptcy. This doesn't mean that I don't believe that Delta will follow through with the RFP, but I don't think that they will award flying to say, Skywest, if Comair brings their costs in line in the next month or two.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

They want to take advantage of the bankruptcy process while they still can, and have to get DCI deals before they exit bankruptcy. This doesn't mean that I don't believe that Delta will follow through with the RFP, but I don't think that they will award flying to say, Skywest, if Comair brings their costs in line in the next month or two.

Drew,

OK, bring their costs in line with who and where is that line. This sounds just like all the management types at ASA. There is some fictional, non definable, cost inline, down around $20/hr that we have to meet to be competetive.

Dick

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

"We have proposed $14 million, and that amounts to a great deal for the pilots," Lawson said.

I love how Delta is threatining to shrink / liquidate us over a $3.3 million dollar disagreement. What a bunch of s**t. I still think they have to hit a specified sum of money through cuts to sell us on a preexisting deal.

I ask a Delta VP: Kollshack (sp?) about Delta's interest in holding on to Comair when I attended a post bankruptcy announcement company meeting with about 350 employees present. He said that selling us for exit financing from bankruptcy would be their future intention. I think management has already done this but just needs the cuts to make the deal go through. Game On!

 

[bvt1151]

ALPA has NOT proposed $14 million. They've proposed 9, and want credit for the other 5 from the pay freeze two years ago.

 

[goodpilotithink]

This is what everyone shoud be discussing now! Next weeks deadline for Comairs negotiations on paycuts......or not! Do they hold the line, or do they cave and we all follow them in the race to the bottom? This my friends may set a precedent for all of us!!!!!

You obviously don't follow the industry.

WE RAISED THE BAR BY STRIKING FOR 89 DAYS. THEN MESA, CHATACO, AND SKYWHORE PILOTS STABBED US IN THE BACK AND PUT US IN THE SITUATION WE ARE IN.
WHAT AN IDIOT YOU ARE TO SAY SUCH A THING.
TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS.

 

[thebest]

Give me an actual example in HISTORY that shows such a colapse, thanks to a 9-11 event, economy colapse, high oil, etc. Go ahead and bury your head in the sand.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Your PAYCHECK! THEBEST

 

[thebest]

Your PAYCHECK! THEBEST

It's one example....Your post wasn't all that clear..........THEBEST

 

[wms]

Quote, "Then, when Fred Betrayal didn't work, they give us Don." The biggest irony of it all is that Phred fell victim to his own portfolio by starting a race to the bottom within DCI that he couldn't finish. Poor guy!

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

You obviously don't follow the industry.

WE RAISED THE BAR BY STRIKING FOR 89 DAYS. THEN MESA, CHATACO, AND SKYWHORE PILOTS STABBED US IN THE BACK AND PUT US IN THE SITUATION WE ARE IN.
WHAT AN IDIOT YOU ARE TO SAY SUCH A THING.
TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS.

Good pilot, not so sure, insecure one, more like it for calling me an idot! Im well aware of your strike back then and I am keenly aware of this industries history. Im simply stating the facts and trying to bring up a discusion.Also I was hoping to find out what the state of mind is with you guys right now! Hopefully, not as thin skinned as you!

 

[bvt1151]

Jack,

The vast majority of pilots here agree, including myself. We've been stabbed in the back, repeatedly, and have suffered greatly because of it.

 

[goodpilotithink]

Jack,

The vast majority of pilots here agree, including myself. We've been stabbed in the back, repeatedly, and have suffered greatly because of it.

Thank you.

 

[Mongolikecandy]

ALPA's role is to negotiate contract and represent our interest in quality of life issues.

This is a big misconception... It is your MEC's job to negotiate your contract, not ALPA's... ALPA provides resources and signs off on the deal but in the end, it is up to your pilots to negotiate a fair deal.

 

[bvt1151]

The MEC is part of ALPA. I understand your point, but its merely semantics.