Jetblue headed to ORD?

[lowecur]

The rumor mill is spreading fast on this one. FAA has awarded an 89th slot to Jetblue for 8 flts per day till expiration on 10/31/2008. New runway will open at that time.

I believe Jetblue is banking on further expansion at ORD based on future consolidation within the industry. This is probably the only way they get a slew of gates after 10/31/08. Antitrust action by the DOJ may require UAL to divest itself of some ORD gates/slots to get approval on any merger.

Jetblue still needs a midwest hub for their 190s. It will be interesting to see how they handle that aspect.

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[TWA Dude]

ORD-JFK is a weak market, suitable mostly for int'l connextions. Perhaps they have something else in mind?

 

[curtaindriver]

Sure hope this is true. Any substantiated facts to the 89th slot, or just rumor?

CD

 

[Zipperhead]

TWADude, Don't you remember when we used to fly that route 10 times a day from STL- JFK in the 80's and 75's? I hope we start that route soon as well. I commute out of ORD to NYC and usually go to LGA because there are only 3 rj's that do the ORD JFK route. I think it would be a good route. As you said, lots of international connections. I always hear people when I'm commuting to LGA that they wish there were more flights to JFK....time will tell.

 

[TWA Dude]

Zipper: I do recall. My point is that they were connections for int'l flights, not primarily O&D. LGA is by far the more popular for O&D.

 

[8vATE]

ORD-JFK is a weak market, suitable mostly for int'l connextions. Perhaps they have something else in mind?

For the right price I believe they will come...


Just have to wait and see...

 

[Jetjockey]

Will the addition of ORD by JetBlue really surprise anyone? It's the 3rd largest city in the US. Not a matter of "if", just a matter of "when" in my opinion.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Will the addition of ORD by JetBlue really surprise anyone? It's the 3rd largest city in the US. Not a matter of "if", just a matter of "when" in my opinion.

So what's the story in class?? What's the breakdown? How many regional, miltary. And the aircraft?

 

[flatspin7]

Honestly ORD is a competitive hornets nest. CAL had done a pretty decent job of beating them up in EWR. It will be verry interesting to see what happends when both AA and UAL go after them.. Good luck.

 

[radarlove]

Slots aren't the problem in ORD, gates are. Even during bankruptcy, UAL was paying full lease payments on empty gates. The city tried to take them away (for violating the "use it or lose it" part of the contract) but they lost in court.

Jet Blue has been trying to go to Chicago since they opened the doors, until some gates show up, no Jet Blue.

 

[lowecur]

Honestly ORD is a competitive hornets nest. CAL had done a pretty decent job of beating them up in EWR. It will be verry interesting to see what happends when both AA and UAL go after them.. Good luck.

Read recently where CAL was the one losing their shirt in EWR. Analyst mentioned that CAL over-reacted on the Florida routes and it's cost them $25M in 4th Q of 2005. Jetblue's presence there is strictly to accomodate NJ travelers that had been driving to JFK. He mentioned Jetblue is breaking even on the routes.

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[lowecur]

Slots aren't the problem in ORD, gates are. Even during bankruptcy, UAL was paying full lease payments on empty gates. The city tried to take them away (for violating the "use it or lose it" part of the contract) but they lost in court. I think UAL just paid the money that was owed on those gates. They actually tried to stiff ORD for the rent in BK, so the threat by ORD went away.

Jet Blue has been trying to go to Chicago since they opened the doors, until some gates show up, no Jet Blue.

A little bird said it's supposed to be announced tomorrow. We'll see if it's fact or fiction.

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[veneratio]

God I hope it's not true

 

[Truckdriver]

God I hope it's not true

Why?? Shouldn't cause any harm to your ERJ job should it?

 

[JP4user]

The delays in Chicago should be just as long as Newark. More time to spruce up the cabins.

P.S. Guys....don't go to hard on any new Marines coming on board. God help him.

 

[IB6 UB9]

The delays in Chicago should be just as long as Newark. More time to spruce up the cabins.

P.S. Guys....don't go to hard on any new Marines coming on board. God help him.

Adding your touch of class to the discussion again?

 

[JP4user]

Adding your touch of class to the discussion again?

About the Marines or the cleaning? No need to be sensitive about the Marine comment though.

 

[da90drivr]

JP4, I suppose you don't have to perform any cleaning or do any a$$ kissing for one of the richest men on the planet.

 

[JP4user]

Was that a question or a statement?

JP4, I suppose you don't have to perform any cleaning or do any a$$ kissing for one of the richest men on the planet.

Nope...none at all. Some operations still have respect for their crews. Tough luck for you if yours isn't one of them.

 

[zonker]

Nope...none at all. Some operations still have respect for their crews. Tough luck for you if yours isn't one of them.

Respect. Is that what you call what Tilton and his band of thieves did to your employee group?

 

[JP4user]

Respect. Is that what you call what Tilton and his band of thieves did to your employee group?

Correction..the United employee group. Tilton is just as much of a scum sucking dirt bag as Lorenzo, Orenstein, Steenland etc. The difference is the United pilots were to scared to do anything about it and didn't realize those guys with the $2,000 suits were bending them over. Twice.

Did that answer your question? If not I'll make it simple: I don't fly a BBJ for Glen or heaven forbid have to use or ever used a United call sign.

 

[Zipperhead]

One and a half pages and the bashing begins....nice

 

[MRYFLYER]

This is probably the only way they get a slew of gates after 10/31/08. Antitrust action by the DOJ may require UAL to divest itself of some ORD gates/slots to get approval on any merger.

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Hmmmm. What about double AA divesting itself of slots and gates? Would the DOJ not also come looking at their piece of the pie since you have the rumors and the innuendo on this one tell us more.

I would think B6 would be well served to make what they are doing currently work before the DOJ would just carve up ORD and give them something. In fact I suppose there are more than one carrier out there that would like a piece of the ORD pie and B6 does not have the pockets to afford what the others would be willing to give. As for a midwest hub for B6 they should do what the other carriers have done, EARN it. Go start a hub in a midwest city with your own sweat and labor and stop thinking everyone is going to give you something. I bet you are one of those kids that participated in a soccer or little league that did not keep score. Can't have any losers in life no can we.

 

[Dizel8]

Can't have any losers in life no can we.

I guess that was why AA was so mad about the LGB issue!

But hey, while you are here, why don't you tell me how UAL EARNED the gates at ORD?

 

[lowecur]

Hmmmm. What about double AA divesting itself of slots and gates? Would the DOJ not also come looking at their piece of the pie since you have the rumors and the innuendo on this one tell us more. OK.

I would think B6 would be well served to make what they are doing currently work before the DOJ would just carve up ORD and give them something. I don't think the DOJ is in the business of handing out gates to specific airlines, but they are in the business of turning some screws if UAL wants the merger bad enough. In fact I suppose there are more than one carrier out there that would like a piece of the ORD pie and B6 does not have the pockets to afford what the others would be willing to give. When a gate is divested it goes back to O'Hare, and then they decide who gets it and at the going rate. There is no lottery on gates. Those decisions are objectively made by the airport authority. Could the airport authority choose another carrier? Sure, but my guess is Jetblue has a better shot than most on any future gates at ORD. As for a midwest hub for B6 they should do what the other carriers have done, EARN it. Go start a hub in a midwest city with your own sweat and labor and stop thinking everyone is going to give you something. That would be great, but you have legacy carriers that dominate these hubs that have hidden behind the Federal BK Laws. If attrition had been left to take it's course, survival of the fittest would have taken care of all that. So now you complain that Jetblue could be in line to possibly take advantage of another arm of gov't that may be a backdoor into ORD. It's just business MRYFLYER, it's not personal. I bet you are one of those kids that participated in a soccer or little league that did not keep score. Can't have any losers in life now can we.

Sure we can, just not sore losers.


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[FlyinCane]

Friend in Forest Hills confirmed both JFK-ORD and LGB-ORD service with A320s. Was supposed to start 10/25, but that date has been pushed back.

 

[G4G5]

I think that this is a bad bad bad idea. There has to be a better place to tie up an A320 then on the ground in ORD. I can remember spending more time on penalty box waiting for departure then it took to fly the trip. If they are seriously considering this then they are really starving for new routes to put their A320's on.

I would have to believe that an Island, vacation destination out of JFK would have better yeilds then spending all your profits on deicing fluid in the winter.

 

[JP4user]

That would be great, but you have legacy carriers that dominate these hubs that have hidden behind the Federal BK Laws. If attrition had been left to take it's course, survival of the fittest would have taken care of all that. So now you complain that Jetblue could be in line to possibly take advantage of another arm of gov't that may be a backdoor into ORD.

I don't think 32LT10 a.k.a "MRYFLYER" is going to like this very accurate answer.

 

[lowecur]

Friend in Forest Hills confirmed both JFK-ORD and LGB-ORD service with A320s. Was supposed to start 10/25, but that date has been pushed back.

That's interesting. Have to wait and see if an announcement is today or a few weeks away.

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[MRYFLYER]

Sure we can, just not sore losers.


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If you have an issue with the BK process then perhaps you should work at the congessional level to make a change. Also, why not lobby ATL to GIVE you gates from the DL stash or pehaps DTW or MSP to give you NWA gates? On the ATL issue we know you had to pull out so perhaps if the DOJ gives you a hub you could make it work. At the same time how would B6 feel if the DOJ said you had too big of a prescence at JFK and you now had to GIVE gates to another carrier?

In the long run I hope you guys do come to ORD, just not at the expense of gates to UAL. The combination of AA and UAL have been very good at eliminating carriers at ORD. B6 will just be another Flyi when it is all said and done at ORD.