Airline apps Bug

[pdub20s]

I recently filled out my app online. They asked about my medical. Its a 1st class and it was issued about 11months ago... Well when i did the comparison w/ AE standars, it said my 1st class was reduced to a 2nd class. Little does Airline apps know... A 1st class is good for 6mo. ONLY if exercising the privlages of an ATP. Im not an ATP!!! lol so i got one more month to go under my 1st class. This going to hurt me when they see my app?

 

[king10pin02]

I recently filled out my app online. They asked about my medical. Its a 1st class and it was issued about 11months ago... Well when i did the comparison w/ AE standars, it said my 1st class was reduced to a 2nd class. Little does Airline apps know... A 1st class is good for 6mo. ONLY if exercising the privlages of an ATP. Im not an ATP!!! lol so i got one more month to go under my 1st class. This going to hurt me when they see my app?

It does not matter if you have an ATP or not. First class privlages are only valid for 6 months. Your medical does not magically keep first class privlages just because you do not an ATP. Express Jet was sending interviewees home who didn't have a medical with first class priv. So it might hurt you when they see your app.

61.23 (d) Duration of a medical certificate. (1) A first-class medical certificate expires at the end of the last day of—
(i) The sixth month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate for operations requiring an airline transport pilot certificate;
(ii) The 12th month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate for operations requiring a commercial pilot certificate or an air traffic control tower operator certificate; and
(iii) The period specified in paragraph (c)(3) of this section for operations requiring a recreational pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate, a flight instructor certificate (when acting as pilot in command or a required pilot flight crewmember in operations other than glider or balloon), or a student pilot certificate.

 

[tyuwerty]

I recently filled out my app online. They asked about my medical. Its a 1st class and it was issued about 11months ago... Well when i did the comparison w/ AE standars, it said my 1st class was reduced to a 2nd class. Little does Airline apps know... A 1st class is good for 6mo. ONLY if exercising the privlages of an ATP. Im not an ATP!!! lol so i got one more month to go under my 1st class. This going to hurt me when they see my app?

Nope, it won't hurt you; however, your lack of general knowledge will be a killer...

 

[igneousy2]

You will be fine. However, what the hell are you doing with a nearly out of date medical when you are trying to find a job? Go get another medical now, You could be in class at a regional within a couple weeks of your interview, they don't want to mess with someone who won't have there medical credentials in order. It might cost you a class date.

Later,

 

[CRJ_Driver]

Nope, it won't hurt you; however, your lack of general knowledge will be a killer...

Here here.

 

[Mr Wu]

A first class medical is valid as a first class medical for 3 years if under 40 years old, 2 years if over 40. The class of medical doesn't change, just the priveleges that you may operate under.

 

[XJohXJ]

Sheesh, talk about lack of knowledge. If is says "FIRST CLASS" on the top, it remains "FIRST CLASS". Unless the writing changes itself, it is a FIRST CLASS MEDICAL until the paper disintigrates. An FO only requires a commercial pilot's license, not an ATP, so for FO duties you only need a new medical every 12 months, and even after that twelve months is over, it is still a FIRST CLASS medical. If you go rent an airplane for flying for fun after those 12 months are up, you are still flying on a FIRST CLASS medical. A first class medical can NEVER be "down graded" to SECOND CLASS. Did the writing on top change? NO!!!!

 

[Master Shake]

Sheesh, talk about lack of knowledge. If is says "FIRST CLASS" on the top, it remains "FIRST CLASS". Unless the writing changes itself, it is a FIRST CLASS MEDICAL until the paper disintigrates. An FO only requires a commercial pilot's license, not an ATP, so for FO duties you only need a new medical every 12 months, and even after that twelve months is over, it is still a FIRST CLASS medical. If you go rent an airplane for flying for fun after those 12 months are up, you are still flying on a FIRST CLASS medical. A first class medical can NEVER be "down graded" to SECOND CLASS. Did the writing on top change? NO!!!!

You are right it will always be a "First Class". But after six months your "First Class" only has "Second Class" privlidges.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Some employers, for whatever reason, require new-hire FO's to have a first class medical issued within the past 6 months in order to be hired. Makes no sense, really, but some do require it.

 

[pdub20s]

wow, did a lot of you guys wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? I sense a lot of hostility. I went ahead and got it renewed this morning.I know all the FARS the pertain to medicals... i just wanted to know why airline apps is making me look like i only hae a 2nd and not a 1st. But i looked at the "actual app" that is sent to american eagle and it says 1st class on it.

"your lack of general knowledge will be a killer..." in what way?

 

[pianoman]

Some employers, for whatever reason, require new-hire FO's to have a first class medical issued within the past 6 months in order to be hired. Makes no sense, really, but some do require it.

Perhaps they want to ensure you will be able to upgrade when the time comes. They hire future CA's, not career FO's.

 

[XJohXJ]

You are right it will always be a "First Class". But after six months your "First Class" only has "Second Class" privlidges.

Look, I'm sorry but that is not correct. The "privilages" are associated with the pilot certificate, not the medical. The thing that trips everyone up is that an FO really only needs a Second Class Medical, so the two get overly associated. Here's the FAR again:

61.23 (d) Duration of a medical certificate. (1) A first-class medical certificate expires at the end of the last day of—
(i) The sixth month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate for operations requiring an airline transport pilot certificate;
(ii) The 12th month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate for operations requiring a commercial pilot certificate or an air traffic control tower operator certificate......etc.

If you are working as an FO, that is an operation requiring a commercial pilot's certificate, and you are operating for the full 12 months on a First Class medical. If the guy has a first class medical, then 11 months later it is still a first class medical but is only current for operating under the PRIVILAGES of a commercial pilot's license (FO) or private pilot's license. It is still a first class medical, no exeptions, no modifiers.

 

[pdub20s]

thank you XjohXJ! I hope airline apps didnt ******************** me over...

 

[ReverseSensing]

Perhaps they want to ensure you will be able to upgrade when the time comes. They hire future CA's, not career FO's.

That's the only rationale I've ever heard. But if you think about it, it doesn't really make much sense. With everything that can change, how much assurance does a company have that just because a new-hire FO can pass a first class, that in six years (or whatever) when that FO upgrades, they'll still be able to pass a first class?

 

[JimGlasair3]

Rational for updating a First Class Medical, when not REQUIRED?

How 'bout the basic job of the pilot recruiters at any airline - sort through a big stack of resume's or applications, and make them into a smaller stack that they might be able to actually interview.

Just because you meet the minimum qualifications - doesn't mean you will be competetive!

Do yourself a favor, update, and present the best resume/application you possibly can. Maximize those points!

 

[Master Shake]

Look, I'm sorry but that is not correct. The "privilages" are associated with the pilot certificate, not the medical. The thing that trips everyone up is that an FO really only needs a Second Class Medical, so the two get overly associated. Here's the FAR again:

61.23 (d) Duration of a medical certificate. (1) A first-class medical certificate expires at the end of the last day of—
(i) The sixth month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate for operations requiring an airline transport pilot certificate;
(ii) The 12th month after the month of the date of examination shown on the certificate for operations requiring a commercial pilot certificate or an air traffic control tower operator certificate......etc.

If you are working as an FO, that is an operation requiring a commercial pilot's certificate, and you are operating for the full 12 months on a First Class medical. If the guy has a first class medical, then 11 months later it is still a first class medical but is only current for operating under the PRIVILAGES of a commercial pilot's license (FO) or private pilot's license. It is still a first class medical, no exeptions, no modifiers.

Thanks for using a lot of words to explain what I already said in one sentence. What did you think is meant when they use the term "privlidges"? A medical by itself is worthless without a pilot certificate, and vice versa.