Young Only! Old Need Not Read!

[luckytohaveajob]

What are the young doing to fight these old bsturds?

I for one have written by Congressman and Senator, Called my Congressman and Senator, Faxed my Congressman and Senator, written an editorial that has been published in my hometown newspaper in one of the states at the center of this controversy.

What are the other young pilots <45 doing?

This is serious business for our careers. It is not only the next five years of retirements that will be delayed but all the last five years of retirements prior to implementation of this outrageously wrong law.

Delta ALPA is hiring it's early retired pilots back with a lottery system and keeping them in their previous equipment and status bidding on the bottom of the seniority list. Who cares if they are on the bottom still flying B767 Captain international positions?!

The precedents have already been established and your company too-- INCLUDING SWA will hire the retired pilots back and keep them in their CAPTAIN seats and positions.

Young pilots must keep this from happening!

I suggest you write and call everyone you know. And write and call all your senators and congressman.

I also suggest you write editorials and call your news stations. You must use the publics fear to make your points. The public is clueless and after listening to an NPR interview with the SWA union president Sept. 2005 it is clear the SWA union president is using the publics misconceptions to make his points. NOTHING AGAINST SWA PILOTS BUT CALL HIM UP AND MAKE YOUR CASE BE HEARD THAT 60 is IT!!!

1) Site NTSB incapacitation cases
2) Site the S.65 provision that the NTSB testing will be conducted two years after the fact
3) Use the publics fear of pilots dieing at the controls.
4) Site personal examples not using your airlines name about how you have seen pilots wear three pairs of glasses, not want to land at night, and sight age related issues you have first hand observed

Take it to the public!!! And lets boot these old bsturds out.

Also old bsturds need not post here-- flame everyone that does!!

 

[semperfido]

The presidents have already been established and your company too--!!

get a spell checker you retard

 

[Junkflyer]

I'm 42 and going to call my Senator. I'll need a job after 60 since my company gives me $h't towards my retirement.You youngster will find yourself in the same boat in 20 years after multiple furloughs and no pension plan.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Additional info

Also site the Harvey Watt statistic that 35% of all pilots currently covered today by LTD medical out prior to age 60 retirement.

And to the above retard critical of my spelling screw you dck head. You are probably some old bsturd! Some of my misspelling is on purpose. And also, I don't have to spell to fly my B777 dumb a$$!

The point is lets get the young mobilized and working to defeat this!!

 

[Phaedrus]

Bad spellers of the world.....UNTIE!

 

[Pile-it]

I'm younger than 40 and I'd like to see it change. I think it is inevitable that this rule will change sometime in the next 20 years. Other countries have changed the age, and they don't have pilots dropping dead at the controls. I was told Australia has gone to no age limit, just an astronaut type physical after something like age 58. I doubt we'll see that here, but that's what I'm for. I'd like to leave on my terms, or when I'm not fit enough for the job, not when the government tells me I need to leave.

 

[bafanguy]

What are the young doing to fight these old bsturds?

I for one have written by Congressman, Senator, Called my Congressman and Senator, Faxed by Congressman and Senator and written an editorial that has been published in my hometown newspaper that is at the center of this controversy.

What are the other young pilots <45 doing?

This is serious business for our careers. It is not only the next five years of retirements that will be delayed but all the last five years of retirements prior to implementation of this outrageously wrong law.

Delta ALPA is hiring it early retired pilots back with a lottery system and keeping them in their previous equipment and status bidding on the bottom of the senior list. Who cares if they are on the bottom still flying B767 Captain internation flying?!

The presidents have already been established and your company too-- INCLUDING SWA will hire the retired pilot back and keep him or her in their CAPTAIN seats and positions.

Young pilots must keep this from happening!

I suggest you write and call everyone you know. And write and call all your senators and congressman.

I also suggest you write editorials and call your news stations. You must use the publics fear to make your points. The public is clueless and after listening to an NPR interview with the SWA union president Sept. 25, 2005 it is clear they the SWA union president is using the public misconceptions to make his points. NOTHING AGAINST SWA PILOTS BUT CALL HIM UP AND MAKE YOUR CASE BE HEARD THAT 60 is IT!!!

1) Site NTSB incapcitation cases
2) Use the S.65 provision that the NTSB testing will be conducted two years after the fact
3) Use the publics fear of pilots dieing at the controls.
4) Site personal examples not using your airlines name about how you have seen pilot wear three pairs of glasses, not want to land at night, and sight age related problems

Take it to the public!!! And lets boot these old bsturds out.

Also old bsturds need not post here-- flame everyone that does!!

Good Lord, Kid !! Relax, the sky's not falling...

If you're not careful, you'll have a blood pressure like an "old bsturd" and become one of the 35% you're talking about.

 

[semperfido]

. And also, I don't have to spell to fly my B777 dumb a$$!

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i thought you said you were the FO

 

[FL000]

I'm nearly 40 and I'm supporting the change. You think you'll never be 61, or are you just waiting 'til you're in your late 40s to support it?

 

[Falconjet]

I'm 45 and I will never support any increase in the retirement age.

FJ

 

[clickclickboom]

Wow how to make friends!!

Hope nobody over 60 figures out who that guy is!

Have to say that as a young man (33) I support the proposal. What goes around comes around. There are plenty of people who I am friends with that are fully capable of flying for another 5 years..

The majority of these guys are at fractionals now( Working harder than they have in 25 years)

I think that over 60 should be treated as a priviledge and should have more stringent medical testing but otherwise it is fine. Also a few decades from now it gives me the option to continue my career..

Remember guys you'll wake up one day at 59 years old and say to yourselves: Damn where did the time go!!

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Fo/ Captain

i thought you said you were the FO

Yea, and I will be working as the captain when that old bsturd next to me dies. Plus right now, I have to watch these old bsturds like a hawk and point out all those items they are missing that threaten the flight because they are asleep at the wheel or just CANT REMEMBER WHAT THEY NEED TO DO THAT THEY FORGOT FROM SCHOOL OR JUST HEARD ON THE RADIO OR READ.

Lucky

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Have to say that as a young man (33) I support the proposal. What goes around comes around. There are plenty of people who I am friends with that are fully capable of flying for another 5 years..

As I posted on a similar thread, most young guys will never recover financially from delaying an upgrade for 5 years. Say you are 40 now and delay your upgrade to 45. In those 5 years you would lose 100k/yr (salary and B-fund) at my airline. I don't have a FV calculator handy at the moment, but at 45 you would have given up approx 700k by not upgrading. 700k over 20 yrs (age 45-65) at market 50 yr avg of 10% (actually 10.3%, but we'll round) return would yield approx $5.5 MILLION!

You will need to be paid in excess of $1 MILLION/yr by your airline from age 60-65 to come close to breaking even! You have been conned by the old geezers into believing this is a good thing for all pilots. This benefits only current captains who wish to work till they die.

Just Say No! :uzi:


BBB

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Swapa Union President-npr Interview!

http://www.npr.org/dmg/dmg.php?prgCode=TOTN&showDate=15-SEP-04&segNum=2&getAd=1&mediaPref=RM&pageid=av-summary-results-controller


The above link is a real player, National Public Radio interview aired in Sept. 2005 with SWA union president misinforming the public with bad information as to why age 60 needs to be changed.

I especially liked the part the SWAPA president made about an airline pilot knowing when enough is enough and volunteering to stepping down by ones own personal choice. I have never meet a pilot and never heard of one yet that has done that by their own free will. All these old bsturds commenting in this post and others will have to be carried out on a stretcher just as they indicate that THEY WANT TO MAKE THE CHOICE.

The SWAPA president also makes continual reference just as all the senators and congressmen do about experience.

Well, I'm sorry but a captain with 20,000 hours verse a 10,000 hour pilot is not any more prepared. A plateau in experience is reached after 1000 hours as a captain and that fact is widely recognized by companies requiring 1000 hours of jet PIC or military command time. And anyone with that time and all of us that are being denied those captain positions have that 1000 hours of PIC or command time in SPADES are just as prepared and experienced!! So this experience arguement is garbage!

Lucky,
I'd rather be lucky than good anyday.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Do You Support Hiring Back Retirees?

Delta ALPA is hiring it's early retired pilots back with a lottery system and keeping them in their previous equipment and status bidding on the bottom of the seniority list. Who cares if they are on the bottom still flying B767 Captain international positions?!

The precedents have already been established and your company too will do this-- INCLUDING SWA that will hire it's retired pilots back and keep them in their CAPTAIN seats and positions. That is what the SWAPA union president is fighting to do today!

Do you support your company following DAL lead?

 

[Nindiri]

And also, I don't have to spell to fly my B777 dumb a$$!

I bet the Captain would be surprised to learn that it's your B777, junior.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

S.65's definition of full retirement age is not limited to 65 years old

S.65 is not limiting the age to 65!!!!!!! S.65 is saying that a PART 121 pilot can fly to the FULL RETIREMENT AGE OF SOCIAL SECURITY. A schedule has long been established by the Social Sec. Adm. to increase the age of full benefit.
Social Sec. is designed to have ALL contribute and only pay those that survive a short period of time and is based on a few years less than the current death rate age averages.

Those that are just entering the work force today won't recieve benefit until they are in their 70's. These ages are also based on political issues that determine the numbers basis on funding requirements of the administration.

So based on Social Security many airline pilots will be flying till their death.

Lucky,
And I'll take lucky over good anyday.

AGE TO RECEIVE FULL SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS
____________________________________________

YEAR OF BIRTH FULL RETIREMENT AGE

1937 or earlier 65
1938 65 and 2 months
1939 65 and 4 months
1940 65 and 6 months
1941 65 and 8 months
1942 65 and 10 months
1943-1954 66
1955 66 and 2 months
1956 66 and 4 months
1957 66 and 6 months
1958 66 and 8 months
1959 66 and 10 months
1960 and later 67

 

[luckytohaveajob]

It's not my B777- its his till he dies!

I bet the Captain would be surprised to learn that it's your B777, junior.

It's not my B777- it's his till he dies gram pa!

 

[Nindiri]

God help the passengers if your Captain should die.

 

[a319drvr]

I want to fly as long as they will let me. I still have 20 years left but don't want anyone limiting me. Seems like the young'ns are only worried about upgrading and "raking" in the big coin"......HA! that dream diminishes with each passing day......relax kids, your day will come....maybe.

Seriously, as long as doctors can crack me open like a lobster without age limits, why am I to be limited? The truth boils deep down in the darkness where common folks fear to tread-a majority of the lawmakers are AFRAID of the (mystery) of flying therefore, they attempt to control what they do not understand.

Completely baseless. Now where the hell did I put my geritol..............what was the question again?

Naptime.....ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

One Pissed Off Mofo!

Ninidiri---Must be nice collecting your first pension and now flying a CRJ for a paid hobby. Unlike you, I am working on my first career and getting the shaft by double dippers like you ######## this profession up.

And even if your not a double dipper-- why are you so interest in changing the established system that would hurt so many furloughed, junior, borderline captains, and borderline lineholders from getting what everyone that is wanting this to change now is pushing for.

Your the radicial pushing for the change! I am the old guard keeping the status quo and hoping nothing changes.

 

[FoxHunter]

God help the passengers if your Captain should die.

He will require all the luck he has, nothing else to work with.

 

[semperfido]

I am the old guard keeping the status quo and hoping nothing changes.

one thing is for sure-- in the coming years it will all change. status quo-fogetaboutit. besides you will need to fly til your 70 with all the pensions down the tube and the stock market making your crummy Co sponsored 401k 3%

 

[Nindiri]

lol I plan to be out of here before 60 anyway, so I couldn't care less about whether it gets raised. I'm just amused at your egotistical ranting about your B777 and how you have to save everyone from the old captains. Grow up, junior.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

The day you become a pilot

He will require all the luck he has, nothing else to work with.

Remember, the day you become a pilot you have two bags, one in each hand. One is labeled luck and its full, One is labeled experience and its empty. As you fly the luck bag empties, and the experience bag fills.

AND THE DAY THE LUCK BAG IS EMPTY THEIR IS NO AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE THAT IS GOING TO SAVE THE DAY AND YOU ARE DONE!

Just hope your not flying that day.

Lucky,
I'd rather be lucky than good any day.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Good luck getting out

lol I plan to be out of here before 60 anyway, so I couldn't care less about whether it gets raised.

Good luck getting out. You would be doing yourself a favor.

 

[Nindiri]

AND THE DAY THE LUCK BAG IS EMPTY THEIR IS NO AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE THAT IS GOING TO SAVE THE DAY AND YOU ARE DONE!

Just hope your not flying that day.

Lucky,
I'd rather be lucky than good any day.

Be sure to tell that to the examiner on your next recurrent checkride. It will impress him.

 

[Phaedrus]

Yea, and I will be working as the captain when that old bsturd next to me dies. Plus right now, I have to watch these old bsturds like a hawk and point out all those items they are missing that threaten the flight because they are asleep at the wheel or just CANT REMEMBER WHAT THEY NEED TO DO THAT THEY FORGOT FROM SCHOOL OR JUST HEARD ON THE RADIO OR READ.

Lucky

Dude, you're like a crescent wrench on an Otis...a tool on so many levels. Maybe you should think about giving up flying and work as a diplomat somewhere?

 

[Dizel8]

I am 37, I say no to 65!

 

[Jurassic Jet]

:angryfire I'm 35 and in no way whatsoever will I support this at all!

I've got 7 years in at the current place and by age 60 that means I will have 32 years in here alone. Uggh. I have no desire to work here until I'm 60. I plan on being out by 55 at the latest and if things go well, even earlier.

Worse, our company is taking into account the fact that we have so many upcoming retirements in its decision about staffing levels. If this gets through, in my opinion, it could very well mean furloughs.

Just say NO to GEEZERS!