You are welcome Westies

[FlickerFade]

Wow for someone with 12000 hours your not too smart. Not surprising. Decades ago as you put it Rochester flights were always full do to Kodak being there as well as other companies until they left. As for elmira lets throw in Ithaca because we did go pit elm ith and back....again full there's this university up there called cornell. As for making fun of accidents well most good pilots try to learn from others misfortunes or mistakes. And you probably really don't fly because you would know that it's the amount of revenue you make not your flight schedule that makes you a major.

Smart?

your= you're

do= due

 

[imacdog]

Wow for someone with 12000 hours your not too smart. Not surprising.

It never fails!

 

[Deadalus]

This thing is close to being over. All of us out east are captains, thats where we were in 2000 and thats where we deserve to be now, regardless of what a senile arbitrator says. You westies can't get it that we hold the keys out east- there isnt anything you can do except enjoy the ride! God I love seeing you all so angry and mad about what has happened. You deserve all of this! You made it! We out east are finishing it and enjoy watching yoru greed get the best of you.
East pilots have always been true major airline pilots, what can your clan say about your bottom feeder wagers and rag-tag flying circus from Phoenix???

What are you talking about? You're working under a contract that's worse than most commuters. I hate to break it to you but you idiots are being laughed at by everyone else in the industry. Now that I'm no longer tied off to you losers I'm laughing too.

 

[Deadalus]

This thing is close to being over. All of us out east are captains, thats where we were in 2000 and thats where we deserve to be now, regardless of what a senile arbitrator says. You westies can't get it that we hold the keys out east- there isnt anything you can do except enjoy the ride! God I love seeing you all so angry and mad about what has happened. You deserve all of this! You made it! We out east are finishing it and enjoy watching yoru greed get the best of you.
East pilots have always been true major airline pilots, what can your clan say about your bottom feeder wagers and rag-tag flying circus from Phoenix???

I can say the AWA contract is better than the AAA contract and AWA never killed anyone. Is that crickets I hear chirping? Dumb@ss

 

[waveflyer]

This thing is close to being over. All of us out east are captains, thats where we were in 2000 and thats where we deserve to be now, regardless of what a senile arbitrator says. You westies can't get it that we hold the keys out east- there isnt anything you can do except enjoy the ride! God I love seeing you all so angry and mad about what has happened. You deserve all of this! You made it! We out east are finishing it and enjoy watching yoru greed get the best of you.
East pilots have always been true major airline pilots, what can your clan say about your bottom feeder wagers and rag-tag flying circus from Phoenix???

This kind of ego oriented post is why the vast majority of this industry lacks respect for AAA and what they've been doing the past few years. It's just dumb and prideful. Newsflash: Pride doesn't pay the mortgage for yourselves or any one of us.

I said this back in 2007- AAA had a very small window to get out from their bankruptcy contract and improve industry standard. Now, being at swa- i get the desire to be independent-- but your problems weren't at ALPA national- they were clearly at your MEC- And you agreed to BINDING arbitration with AWA. You don't keep flying a contract that is bottom feeder wages and QOL b/c you don't like the decision of an arbitrator that you agreed to abide by.

That window for contract improvements that was available in 2007 has been closed for years with no end in sight, and you can say in the end that you helped keep down an industry that desperately needed to make gains.

The whole of airline pilots in this country have a very real beef with this type of mutiny.

 

[waveflyer]

I will say nothing but good things about Easties as people. It's this issue and it's net effect on the industry that i disagree with. It has simply been a tough career since the 90's for AAA, for very little fault of their own-- but again, your enemy has never been AWA- it has been your executives, and it has been your local MEC, and it has been your own lack of involvement in your union- that allowed 93 LOAs that decimated your contract and still didn't incite the revolution. I'll always be confused why the Nic award galvanized you- but the years of corruption in your own MEC did not.

 

[Bad-Andy]

Good...now we can try teamsters on for size

PHXFLYR

I really hope that was sarcasm........ (I'm guessing it was with the rolling eyes, but who knows these days.)

I still don't know why you guys (on the West) didn't settle this when you had the chance. When Judge Wake ruled in your favor on the DFR suit, you should have asked for no monetary damages (keep reading, it gets better, I promise). You could have just sought that he ban all the offenders (and anyone that had anything to do with USAPA's leadership decisions) from ever holding any position in USAPA again. Or, an even more aggressive step would have been for him to put USAPA into trusteeship (for breach of faith/ failure to represent) and put a bunch of you guys in charge. Best case, you could have gotten a contract (getting all of us furloughees back to work). Worst case, you could have played the USAPA game and "properly compensated" yourselves (like the leadership did...).

Obviously the above is slightly sarcastic (the part about compensating yourselves to make up for the lack of representation). But, I am serious in asking why AWAPPA/AOL/etc did not request Judge Wake to seize control of the union and come up with a mutually beneficial policy. That would seem to me to be a better solution than dissolving the union, forming a new one, and starting all over again. At least the infrastructure is already in place.

On a different note, I was talking to an East Captain in Madrid a couple of weeks ago -- and maybe there is some truth to the rumor that even the senior daddies are getting fed up with USAPA antics. This guy was a hard-core USAPA guy 1 1/2 - 2 years ago. Now even he is ready to admit it was an emotional mistake... So, maybe there is still hope.......

 

[becket]

This guy was a hard-core USAPA guy 1 1/2 - 2 years ago. Now even he is ready to admit it was an emotional mistake... .

Gee.. ya think?

 

[TWA Dude]

When Judge Wake ruled in your favor on the DFR suit, you should have asked for no monetary damages (keep reading, it gets better, I promise). You could have just sought that he ban all the offenders (and anyone that had anything to do with USAPA's leadership decisions) from ever holding any position in USAPA again.

I'm sure if we could've had the judge burn them at the stake we would've. Judge Wake was being very careful not to out-step his bounds. What you suggest was not realistic. Demanding unrealistic things is an East trait.

 

[reepicheep]

I will say nothing but good things about Easties as people. It's this issue and it's net effect on the industry that i disagree with. It has simply been a tough career since the 90's for AAA, for very little fault of their own-- but again, your enemy has never been AWA- it has been your executives, and it has been your local MEC, and it has been your own lack of involvement in your union- that allowed 93 LOAs that decimated your contract and still didn't incite the revolution. I'll always be confused why the Nic award galvanized you- but the years of corruption in your own MEC did not.

You would have thought, for example, that losing the pension would at least have garnered some kind of reaction. Instead Siegel got 'em to sign off on LOA-93, after the pension debacle.

I think the reason Nic finally did the job was it was so ugly and put it down on paper, quantified the futility of their career progression. If I was there I'd be livid too. To be told for all the world to see that your 17 years of service essentially merits new-hire seniority - one can understand the anger.

As you correctly point out though this was a usair problem. From 6000 pilots down to 3500 in 15 years. Integration was going to be ugly no matter who was involved.

 

[AnimalTale]

Straight from DP.Westies stealing East jobs and loving it. The greed is outrageous.
M

DP can suck my D! CK. That alcoholic, charlatan and greedy little ****************************** bag can have a bottle of "shut the hell up".

CYA

 

[JT12345]

I would hate to be in these flightdecks. You all should have lowered your expectations about your careers a long time ago anyway.

After 911 management dupped us with the help of federal government. They let airlines go bankrupt. Gave only 1.6 billion out of 10 billion in bailouts. Doesn't that seem really really small... 10 billion.... in hindsight compared to the last few years and what they did for the banks/investment firms like Goldman or AIG and GM.

You all got feked like the rest of us. You can let it hang over your head for the next 20 years or move on and look to other things in life to value. If you can't then go do something else. Life is too short.

P.S. I have been through multiple shutdowns, furloughs and displacements.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I'm sure if we could've had the judge burn them at the stake we would've. Judge Wake was being very careful not to out-step his bounds. What you suggest was not realistic. Demanding unrealistic things is an East trait.

In fact the judge telegraphed enough of his displeasure that USAPA should have gotten the hint and offered to go work it out with the west pilots. But they didn't.

Instead they doubled down on the rhetoric and policies of disunity that are Cleary and Co's only hope to stay in power.

"Don't hate us, hate THEM!"

 

[captfred]

This kind of ego oriented post is why the vast majority of this industry lacks respect for AAA and what they've been doing the past few years. It's just dumb and prideful. Newsflash: Pride doesn't pay the mortgage for yourselves or any one of us.

I said this back in 2007- AAA had a very small window to get out from their bankruptcy contract and improve industry standard. Now, being at swa- i get the desire to be independent-- but your problems weren't at ALPA national- they were clearly at your MEC- And you agreed to BINDING arbitration with AWA. You don't keep flying a contract that is bottom feeder wages and QOL b/c you don't like the decision of an arbitrator that you agreed to abide by.

That window for contract improvements that was available in 2007 has been closed for years with no end in sight, and you can say in the end that you helped keep down an industry that desperately needed to make gains.

The whole of airline pilots in this country have a very real beef with this type of mutiny.

On target posting here. Obviously the UAL MEC feels the same way-they want no part of AAA.

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

reading this thread makes me glad I chose CARGO!!!!!!!

 

[AnimalTale]

reading this thread makes me glad I chose CARGO!!!!!!!

For now be "glad" but You are not out of the woods either. With this unmanned UAV testing Fred Smith and UPS are funding/sponsoring and all these 3rd rate cargo carriers attacking your job with slave labor; you should really start fortifying your CASTLE with a HUGE MOAT before you start "gloating" about your choice...

We are all in deep doo doo, either now or later.. Its time to step it up!

CYA
VOTE ALPA or FAPA

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

For now be "glad" but You are not out of the woods either. With this unmanned UAV testing Fred Smith and UPS are funding/sponsoring and all these 3rd rate cargo carriers attacking your job with slave labor; you should really start fortifying your CASTLE with a HUGE MOAT before you start "gloating" about your choice...

We are all in deep doo doo, either now or later.. Its time to step it up!

CYA
VOTE ALPA or FAPA

3rd rate cargo carriers dont even try to compete any more...cant afford to compete!!!.....and by the time UAV flying takes over I'll be living on the beach....oh wait i already do!!!

 

[AnimalTale]

3rd rate cargo carriers dont even try to compete any more...cant afford to compete!!!.....and by the time UAV flying takes over I'll be living on the beach....oh wait i already do!!!

That's great... you got yours. Good choice for CARGO, then! Enjoy.

CYA

 

[Morgoth]

All of us out east are captains, thats where we were in 2000 and thats where we deserve to be now, regardless of what a senile arbitrator says.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I don't believe anyone had a gun to your head and forced you to accept binding arbitration. But you guys DID sign it, and then took your toys and went home when you didn't like the result.

 

[ultrarunner]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I don't believe anyone had a gun to your head and forced you to accept binding arbitration. But you guys DID sign it, and then took your toys and went home when you didn't like the result.

I always wondered about that myself...as big as those swollen balls were on those Easties...they decided to "agreee" to binding arbitration....doesn't make sense.....

And then they don't like the outcome.....

Poor guys...


In the end, the award will stand, and damages will be awarded. And then they will 'cry again' but it will be too late....

As far as my research has turned out, an award by a federal mediator has never been overturned. And it won't in this case. And if USAPA and their associated dickheads think this will go any further in the courts other than damages against them, then they are really idiots.....

Good riddance!