XJT buying Horizon? (from XJT board)

[Otto Coarsen]

I sure hope that XJet raises the bar like some of their pilots are claiming they are going to do, i'd love to get on with them eventually.

Ok, I'll bite.......................again..........

Dude you can't be serious can you? Raising the bar? You? Wanting the Bar raised? Please please please slap this man over the head with a trout.... My god man, how can you possibly not realize how ludicrous this sounds coming from someone currently paying to fly a BE1900.....

 

[flynryan15]

After theguat disapearing

After THEGUAT disapearing this just seems to good to be true. I think when this is all said and done this guy is going to be slapped over the head with something bigger then a trout.

 

[surplus1]

I sure hope that XJet raises the bar like some of their pilots are claiming they are going to do, i'd love to get on with them eventually.

TabExpress,

Just curious, where did you get the avatar? I haven't seen pilots wearing hats in the cockpit since Tyrone Power starred in 12 O'clock High.

Don't worry about XJT "raising the bar", alpa has just done them the favor of an agreement (at USAirways) to fly 76-seats jets for less than XJT already gets in their '97 contract. They are about to learn how the "resources" the joined alpa to get are being effectively used ..... against them.

Horizon guys,

Pray hard that this is just a rumor. If it isn't you will lose your contract and wind up with your people flying the CRJ700 for the $58/hr that the U pilots have agreed to accept. And yes, that includes your 17-yr seniority people. You will also get to experience the joys of being a regional pilot with a labor union, alpa, that works against him instead of for him.

Good luck.

 

[erj-145mech]

TabExpress,

Just curious, where did you get the avatar? I haven't seen pilots wearing hats in the cockpit since Tyrone Power starred in 12 O'clock High.



Good luck.

What version of 12 O'Clock High did you see? I remember Gregory Peck.

 

[surplus1]

OK, maybe it was Gregory Peck, the point was the hats, not the movie mogul. I've just never seen any airline pilots wearing those lid covers in a cockpit, so I wonder why we keep putting that stuff in pics.

It's not really important, I was just curious.

 

[scotts]

...an agreement (at USAirways) to fly 76-seats jets for less than XJT already gets in their '97 contract.


Pray hard that this is just a rumor. If it isn't you will lose your contract and wind up with your people flying the CRJ700 for the $58/hr that the U pilots have agreed to accept. And yes, that includes your 17-yr seniority people.

Surplus1,

XJT doesn't have a rate for 76 seat jets. 1st year pay for a 50 seat jet CA is $51.60.

$58 is their 1st year rate...

After everything I've heard and read about US Airways and their impending demise, It's hard for me to blame them for accepting this rate for a 76 seat airplane in the process of establishing a new contract at a new airline with new equipment. Does it help us? Of course not. But thankfully I don't have to walk a mile in their shoes. What other provisions are in this contract? Are there other elements that are attractive and raise the bar for us? I prefer not to pass judgement until seeing the entire agreement.

Take a deep breath, man! Step back from the pipe and enjoy the contract that you have.

Cheers,

scotts

 

[surplus1]

Surplus1,

XJT doesn't have a rate for 76 seat jets. 1st year pay for a 50 seat jet CA is $51.60.

$58 is their 1st year rate...

Thanks Scotts, I know that you don't have any jets with more than 50 seats. I also know that their 1st year rate is $58. I made a mistake and typed 76 when I meant to type 86 (the EMB-175 capacity).

Since they will only have 1st year captain rates that means they have also given up their longevity at U to work in a division of U called MDA. So, they will all work for the starting wage.

Now, suppose you have to match your highest 50-seat rate to their highest 86-seat rate ..... where do you think that will put your new 1st year rate? You don't think that can happen? Just watch how this shakes out (assuming U survives).

After everything I've heard and read about US Airways and their impending demise, It's hard for me to blame them for accepting this rate for a 76 seat airplane in the process of establishing a new contract at a new airline with new equipment. Does it help us? Of course not. But thankfully I don't have to walk a mile in their shoes. What other provisions are in this contract? Are there other elements that are attractive and raise the bar for us? I prefer not to pass judgement until seeing the entire agreement.

Yes it's a new airplane. Does that mean if your company buys a new airplane with 86 seats you'll be willing to fly it for the same as you fly your 50-seat airplane? It's not really a new airline, that's just a gimmik. MDA is a division of U, or that's what they say, and it will be flown by all U pilots.

If they survive and get the EMB-190, we will see what you think about their new airline rate, when Bethune's successor decides to replace all of CAL's 737's with 190's and match U's $63 dollar scale.

What else is in their contract? They have agreed to operate under the terms of the Eagle contract, so get a copy of that and you'll have it. Maybe you can get your negotiators to get you everything that Eagle has, then we'll see what you think of what they have done. Will that "raise the bar" for you? I hope so, 'cause that's what you're likely to get. Since "mainline" pilots are willing to work for that, why shouldn't regional pilots work for less? Your airplane is smaller and you're not as important.

Don't pass judgement, just be happy that one day you'll be able to move up to that newly desirable mainline job when they start hiring again. DW's been trying to get those RJs at a mainline for a long time, so he should be happier than a pig in s***.

Take a deep breath, man! Step back from the pipe and enjoy the contract that you have.

You know what, I'd be happy to enjoy the contract that I have. The problem is my chances of being able to keep it have just been trashed, by my own union.

Thanks for the advice, but I've already taken so many deep breaths that I'm hyperventiating. Face it friend, a turd is a turd no matter what you call it and this one stinks to high heaven.

Good luck with your negotiations. I'm sure this will help you all to achieve your wildest dreams.