XJT branded flying...how long can they hold on

[ATRCA]

Bedford constantly says he wants out of the 50 market all together. The CAL flying was just to get his foot in the door over there. CRJ's are going back to the desert starting later this year. What the future plans are who knows? Currently that is limited by scope.

"foot in door"..........the only door at CAL is 50 seaters. If the Reverend wants to get out of the 50 seat business, that means he wants out of the CAL business. Unless of course he wants to buy some props and run up against Colgan.

 

[pdub20s]

"foot in door"..........the only door at CAL is 50 seaters. If the Reverend wants to get out of the 50 seat business, that means he wants out of the CAL business. Unless of course he wants to buy some props and run up against Colgan.

How does he feel about abortion?

 

[FSIGRAD]

its my understanding that cal hasnt been that pleased with how chq has been operating. Heard after the short contract is up cal may get rid of chq for someone else or give back the flying back to exj

This sounds nice but it's just fantasy. As far as the reverend...he's praying that CAL will release scope and he can come in with 170-195's. I don't know, no pilots at RAH want anyone to lose their jobs. But we do have options on a boatload of 170/190 airframes in Brazil and management is acting like there is something big in the mix.

 

[flyboyzz1]

yeah something big in the mix...with fuel prices this high...options on a jet that burns "alot" compared to the amount of seats and with a pilot group that has tight control on scope (CAL). I think management has to pretend at all companies like something big is in the mix to keep us all shut up.

 

[Popeye0537]

yeah something big in the mix...with fuel prices this high...options on a jet that burns "alot" compared to the amount of seats and with a pilot group that has tight control on scope (CAL). I think management has to pretend at all companies like something big is in the mix to keep us all shut up.

It's "A LOT", and since your not on the aircraft what do you consider A Lot? More than a CRJ...yep, but not so much more that it would change managements mind, CAL is still about customer service and comfort.....to a point. With open skies 1 they will expand international service with a reduction in domestic jet service. The 50 seat market dosen't make market sense with every other airline out there running 70-90 seaters. You think that a senior pilot wouldn't sell his junior pilot down the river just for his own gain? Thats exactally what management is going to offer to bring these 70 seaters on property.

I don't think something big is in the mix, the CRJ's are going away and will be replaced with CHQ's current 145's.

Cal is spending some serious cash on our 145's to get the weight mod.....I don't think they would do this and then get rid of CHQ.

Just my .02$

 

[Superpilot92]

It's "A LOT", and since your not on the aircraft what do you consider A Lot? More than a CRJ...yep, but CAL is still about customer service and with open skies 1 they will expand international service with a reduction in domestic jet service. The 50 seat market dosen't make market sense with every other airline out there running 70-90 seaters. You think that a senior pilot wouldn't sell his junior pilot down the river just for his own gain? Thats exactally what management is going to offer to bring these 70 seaters on property.

I don't think something big is in the mix, the CRJ's are going away and will be replaced with CHQ's current 145's.

Cal is spending some serious cash on our 145's to get the weight mod.....I don't think they would do this and then get rid of CHQ.

Just my .02$

They are spending the same money on XJT, actually more because XJT has more planes in service for CAL that needed it.

 

[Popeye0537]

Yes they are but you don't own those aircraft, so in essence they are spending money on themselves or whom ever those A/C will end up with....be it XJT/CHq/XJ/AWA...ect.

 

[flyboyzz1]

It's "A LOT", and since your not on the aircraft what do you consider A Lot? More than a CRJ...yep, but not so much more that it would change managements mind, CAL is still about customer service and comfort.....to a point. With open skies 1 they will expand international service with a reduction in domestic jet service. The 50 seat market dosen't make market sense with every other airline out there running 70-90 seaters. You think that a senior pilot wouldn't sell his junior pilot down the river just for his own gain? Thats exactally what management is going to offer to bring these 70 seaters on property.

I don't think something big is in the mix, the CRJ's are going away and will be replaced with CHQ's current 145's.

Cal is spending some serious cash on our 145's to get the weight mod.....I don't think they would do this and then get rid of CHQ.

Just my .02$

I could be wrong but it sounds like you would have a hard on if CAL got the 170's...I for one think its great that they aren't flying anything bigger than 50 seats. As fuel prices keep going up up up I think every bit of fuel savings will be huge but yes I agree the ejets are way more comfortable. I could have mis read your comment entirely for which...don't hate.

 

[Superpilot92]

Yes they are but you don't own those aircraft, so in essence they are spending money on themselves or whom ever those A/C will end up with....be it XJT/CHq/XJ/AWA...ect.

XJT owns those planes so long as XJT makes the payments on the leases. They aren't CAL's planes until XJT decides to GIVE them back to CAL ex: the 69 that CAL lost.

 

[Leroy Smith]

I call BS on this one. No Republic FO would care about XJT because they work for Republic mainline, and who would want to fly for CHQ regional airlines after flying for the mainline?

I had heard rumors of this "mainline" talk at RP/S5, but I thought it was just a couple of clueless F/As or new-hires. The smiley denotes some irony or sarcasm.......right??

 

[flyboyzz1]

as for republic having options on tons of 170/190s do you really think that makes one bit of difference. Tons of companies have options...hell AE has options for 25 CRJs...25 CRJs they will never ever see.

 

[Popeye0537]

I could be wrong but it sounds like you would have a hard on if CAL got the 170's...I for one think its great that they aren't flying anything bigger than 50 seats. As fuel prices keep going up up up I think every bit of fuel savings will be huge but yes I agree the ejets are way more comfortable. I could have mis read your comment entirely for which...don't hate.

No hard on here, depending on how Slow I fly the 170 I can keep the burn #'s in line with the CRJ. I just liked flying for CAL they treated us right and unless I take a 65% pay cut to go fly for Clogan I won't be flying 70 seats for them.


Leroy, when we first started flying the 170 some of the FO's had a mainline type attitude toward us lowely 50 seat drivers. Over the years it has been a running joke when we see a "mainline" A/C.

 

[flyboyzz1]

OK hope I didn't offend.

 

[ATRCA]

This sounds nice but it's just fantasy. As far as the reverend...he's praying that CAL will release scope and he can come in with 170-195's. I don't know, no pilots at RAH want anyone to lose their jobs. But we do have options on a boatload of 170/190 airframes in Brazil and management is acting like there is something big in the mix.

"CAL will release scope"..............what are you talking about? Do you know how that works? If you think that this is not on the radar at CAL and somehow the pilots would give in to scope relief you have got things very confused.

There will be no scope relief. You CHQ guys need to get a grasp of that concept. Scope relief has not even been discussed as an option nor has CAL mgt approached the CAL pilot group to request relief.

Aint gonna happen. CHQ my indeed be flying CAL brand for years to come, I could care less, it just wont be in anything larger than 50 seat jets. The CAL pilot were burned so severely last time around with RJ's its a huge issue there. Not a single pilot I know at CAL wants anything to do with more RJ's or SJ's...............

 

[ToiletDuck]

I had heard rumors of this "mainline" talk at RP/S5, but I thought it was just a couple of clueless F/As or new-hires. The smiley denotes some irony or sarcasm.......right??

Mainline talk is a joke. There is no intention of going out on our own especially with fuel the way it is. Mainline is a joke because of some new FAs who thought CHQ was the regional for RP. During her announcements she kept calling RP mainline.