XJT branded flying...how long can they hold on

[hawkowl88]

End of the year

I was in Ontario yesterday and talked to a few of the XJet ground people and the consensus was that the branded flying would end at the end of the year. That was the rumor.

On the bright side, they seem to be picking up a lot of flying for DAL.

 

[Medeco]

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On the bright side, they seem to be picking up a lot of flying for DAL.

Really?

Medeco

 

[Superpilot92]

Really?

Medeco

Yes Really!!

SP

 

[145BOSS]

What is Republic mainline?

 

[Superpilot92]

What is Republic mainline?

A figment of their imagination

 

[azpilot]

I did think from day one that the branded flying was a bad idea with good intentions... Who wants for ride an ERJ from OMA-ONT? I dont! Atleast XJT has been trying to better themselves. I just dont think the branded flying is going to help them.

I hear positive comments all the time about how they love the airline and hope it succeeds. Way more positive than negative. I have heard people say we are better than Southwest, jumpseating on SW within earshot. No middle seat, food, cheap drinks, etc. Mind you I have no complaints about SW. They have always treated me well as a paying passenger and non-rev. Just relaying the feedback I get from customers.

One person the other day said it was cheaper to fly SW to San Jose and then drive down to Monterrey vs flying us. Maybe? How much for the car, gas, time, etc.

Whether we can survive or not who knows. I am just trying to address the comment about a long flight on an RJ. Give them food, XM radio, cheap drinks, and good service can go a long way.

 

[ToiletDuck]

So where would republic get the crews and planes to take over xjets flying? I don't think so.

They've never had the crews of planes yet they've made it happen.

 

[ParrotheadPilot]

I hear positive comments all the time about how they love the airline and hope it succeeds. Way more positive than negative.

I want the Expressjet branded to succeed as much as the next guy. But I have to say positive comments don't pay the bills. A sample of fares on expressjet.com shows most flights between $99 and $139 dollars. Even 50 seats at $139 bucks a flight yields revenue of $6950. On the long flights that just doesn't cut it. Plus the fact that the planes aren't full.

I've never ridden the product but I'm sure it's top notch. The XJT pilot group is upstanding for the most part and I wish them the best, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Yes I'm a CHQ pilot, and NO, I never wanted the CO flying to begin with, and certainly don't want anymore of it.

 

[flyboyzz1]

its my understanding that cal hasnt been that pleased with how chq has been operating. Heard after the short contract is up cal may get rid of chq for someone else or give back the flying back to exj

 

[ATRCA]

I've asked both the CEO of skywest inc and the president of skywest about Xjets branded flying and both said they've looked at the routes a number of times and there isn't the revenue to make it work. It was either shut down half the company or give branded a shot and they chose the latter.

Scott

69 of 274 doesn't equal half....................I don't think at least. Do Mormons have different math?

 

[ATRCA]

Bedford constantly says he wants out of the 50 market all together. The CAL flying was just to get his foot in the door over there. CRJ's are going back to the desert starting later this year. What the future plans are who knows? Currently that is limited by scope.

"foot in door"..........the only door at CAL is 50 seaters. If the Reverend wants to get out of the 50 seat business, that means he wants out of the CAL business. Unless of course he wants to buy some props and run up against Colgan.

 

[pdub20s]

"foot in door"..........the only door at CAL is 50 seaters. If the Reverend wants to get out of the 50 seat business, that means he wants out of the CAL business. Unless of course he wants to buy some props and run up against Colgan.

How does he feel about abortion?

 

[FSIGRAD]

its my understanding that cal hasnt been that pleased with how chq has been operating. Heard after the short contract is up cal may get rid of chq for someone else or give back the flying back to exj

This sounds nice but it's just fantasy. As far as the reverend...he's praying that CAL will release scope and he can come in with 170-195's. I don't know, no pilots at RAH want anyone to lose their jobs. But we do have options on a boatload of 170/190 airframes in Brazil and management is acting like there is something big in the mix.

 

[flyboyzz1]

yeah something big in the mix...with fuel prices this high...options on a jet that burns "alot" compared to the amount of seats and with a pilot group that has tight control on scope (CAL). I think management has to pretend at all companies like something big is in the mix to keep us all shut up.

 

[Popeye0537]

yeah something big in the mix...with fuel prices this high...options on a jet that burns "alot" compared to the amount of seats and with a pilot group that has tight control on scope (CAL). I think management has to pretend at all companies like something big is in the mix to keep us all shut up.

It's "A LOT", and since your not on the aircraft what do you consider A Lot? More than a CRJ...yep, but not so much more that it would change managements mind, CAL is still about customer service and comfort.....to a point. With open skies 1 they will expand international service with a reduction in domestic jet service. The 50 seat market dosen't make market sense with every other airline out there running 70-90 seaters. You think that a senior pilot wouldn't sell his junior pilot down the river just for his own gain? Thats exactally what management is going to offer to bring these 70 seaters on property.

I don't think something big is in the mix, the CRJ's are going away and will be replaced with CHQ's current 145's.

Cal is spending some serious cash on our 145's to get the weight mod.....I don't think they would do this and then get rid of CHQ.

Just my .02$

 

[Superpilot92]

It's "A LOT", and since your not on the aircraft what do you consider A Lot? More than a CRJ...yep, but CAL is still about customer service and with open skies 1 they will expand international service with a reduction in domestic jet service. The 50 seat market dosen't make market sense with every other airline out there running 70-90 seaters. You think that a senior pilot wouldn't sell his junior pilot down the river just for his own gain? Thats exactally what management is going to offer to bring these 70 seaters on property.

I don't think something big is in the mix, the CRJ's are going away and will be replaced with CHQ's current 145's.

Cal is spending some serious cash on our 145's to get the weight mod.....I don't think they would do this and then get rid of CHQ.

Just my .02$

They are spending the same money on XJT, actually more because XJT has more planes in service for CAL that needed it.

 

[Popeye0537]

Yes they are but you don't own those aircraft, so in essence they are spending money on themselves or whom ever those A/C will end up with....be it XJT/CHq/XJ/AWA...ect.

 

[flyboyzz1]

It's "A LOT", and since your not on the aircraft what do you consider A Lot? More than a CRJ...yep, but not so much more that it would change managements mind, CAL is still about customer service and comfort.....to a point. With open skies 1 they will expand international service with a reduction in domestic jet service. The 50 seat market dosen't make market sense with every other airline out there running 70-90 seaters. You think that a senior pilot wouldn't sell his junior pilot down the river just for his own gain? Thats exactally what management is going to offer to bring these 70 seaters on property.

I don't think something big is in the mix, the CRJ's are going away and will be replaced with CHQ's current 145's.

Cal is spending some serious cash on our 145's to get the weight mod.....I don't think they would do this and then get rid of CHQ.

Just my .02$

I could be wrong but it sounds like you would have a hard on if CAL got the 170's...I for one think its great that they aren't flying anything bigger than 50 seats. As fuel prices keep going up up up I think every bit of fuel savings will be huge but yes I agree the ejets are way more comfortable. I could have mis read your comment entirely for which...don't hate.

 

[Superpilot92]

Yes they are but you don't own those aircraft, so in essence they are spending money on themselves or whom ever those A/C will end up with....be it XJT/CHq/XJ/AWA...ect.

XJT owns those planes so long as XJT makes the payments on the leases. They aren't CAL's planes until XJT decides to GIVE them back to CAL ex: the 69 that CAL lost.

 

[Leroy Smith]

I call BS on this one. No Republic FO would care about XJT because they work for Republic mainline, and who would want to fly for CHQ regional airlines after flying for the mainline?

I had heard rumors of this "mainline" talk at RP/S5, but I thought it was just a couple of clueless F/As or new-hires. The smiley denotes some irony or sarcasm.......right??