XJET CR2 pilots must rebid!

[777forever]

The animosity for company programs like mini-Indy and All-Stars is rediculous. We're one of the few regionals if not the only regional that does holiday meals and Nevets refers to the food being cold. The stereotypes about pilots are right on the money when it comes to the FI posters.

 

[Nevets]

The animosity for company programs like mini-Indy and All-Stars is rediculous. We're one of the few regionals if not the only regional that does holiday meals and Nevets refers to the food being cold. The stereotypes about pilots are right on the money when it comes to the FI posters.

Ah no, XJT has always offered free cold food during the holidays. Hasn't stopped me from complaining about it. I would rather them save the money on the food, turkey coupons, perfect attendance prices, mini Indy, anniversary gifts, the cost to administer all stars and all of these programs and just pay all of us a commensurate amount more. I'm ok living up to the stereotype of that opinion.

 

[ASABound]

777Forever.....maybe you should change your screenname to RJForever ??? When are you guys going to realize that we need to raise the bar and demand that we be paid the professional grade salaries that we are worth. I agree with Nevets, our company needs to stop with all of the rah rah, and stop tripping over dollars to save a dime. The amount of money we waste while trying to be "the lowest cost" is rediculous. I will be all about the rah rah and kool aid when management makes a deliberate and decisive effort on their part to save money and stop expecting the pilots to carry the airline on their back.....

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[777forever]

Ah no, XJT has always offered free cold food during the holidays. Hasn't stopped me from complaining about it. I would rather them save the money on the food, turkey coupons, perfect attendance prices, mini Indy, anniversary gifts, the cost to administer all stars and all of these programs and just pay all of us a commensurate amount more. I'm ok living up to the stereotype of that opinion.

What you fail to realize is the company doesnt revolve solely around the pilots. Cancel all those programs and divide the savings among the ENTIRE employee group would probably result in a 10 bucks or less a check pay raise

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[777forever]

777Forever.....maybe you should change your screenname to RJForever ??? When are you guys going to realize that we need to raise the bar and demand that we be paid the professional grade salaries that we are worth. I agree with Nevets, our company needs to stop with all of the rah rah, and stop tripping over dollars to save a dime. The amount of money we waste while trying to be "the lowest cost" is rediculous. I will be all about the rah rah and kool aid when management makes a deliberate and decisive effort on their part to save money and stop expecting the pilots to carry the airline on their back.....

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What you "think" you're worth and what the market thinks you're worth is two different things. Somewhere in between there is what you can realistically negotiate

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[Nevets]

What you fail to realize is the company doesnt revolve solely around the pilots. Cancel all those programs and divide the savings among the ENTIRE employee group would probably result in a 10 bucks or less a check pay raise

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What you fail to realize is that I specifically said "all of us" in my post, not pilots. I'll take the $10 thank you! Throw in the performance plus in the mix and that would amount to more than $10. Until they stop crying poor, I'll keep complaining about all this waste.

 

[ASABound]

777, what is your surgeon worth?? As a Nationally Registered Paramedic who still practices I am intimately familiar with what people in the healthcare profession make salary wise. I can tell you as a Paramedic and as an acute care provider I can make approx 80% of my RJ capt salary for one year at Expressjet. And when I practice as a Paramedic I only am responsible for one patient at a time not 50. With that said why should I tolerate our mgmt's inability to run this airline and settle for a salary that is sub standard when our mgmt can obviously afford to waste money and other fiscal resources. There is no telling how much this latest round of fiscal irresponsibility is going to cost them in sick calls, fatigue calls, and poor performance. Keep drinking that cost kool aid dude....

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[Freebrd]

Wonder what BH and Co make, you see those raises PCNL management got? And they want the employees to take pay cuts, at PCNL.

 

[enuffalready]

777, what is your surgeon worth?? As a Nationally Registered Paramedic who still practices I am intimately familiar with what people in the healthcare profession make salary wise. I can tell you as a Paramedic and as an acute care provider I can make approx 80% of my RJ capt salary for one year at Expressjet. And when I practice as a Paramedic I only am responsible for one patient at a time not 50. With that said why should I tolerate our mgmt's inability to run this airline and settle for a salary that is sub standard when our mgmt can obviously afford to waste money and other fiscal resources. There is no telling how much this latest round of fiscal irresponsibility is going to cost them in sick calls, fatigue calls, and poor performance. Keep drinking that cost kool aid dude....

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what does a paramedic pay have to do with a pilot pay? who cares what a doctor or paramedic or atttorney or teacher make. Those are mutually exclusive. This entire business is a house of cards.... otherwise an airline would open up tomorrow morning and advertise that they have the highest paid and most experienced pilots ever. And when the customer logged on to hotwire.com to make their reservation that airline would get exactly 3 reservations. What is it with pilots trying to compare what teacher/surgeons/wide receivers/airtists make in comparion. it is completely irrelevant as well as just plain illogical.

Unless of course you voted for obama.... then it would make sense...

i got an idea... we need more revenue... lets just raise all prices across the board $400 a ticket... yeah... then the entire plane would sell out tomorrow at people excited to pay more ... just because you said so..

 

[dojetdriver]

ASA people are overwhelmingly in support of PBS.... since its inception I have not spoken to a single pilot that wants to go back to the way we USED to do line bidding ......period. However, we have ZERO experience with XJT line bid workrules and can't really speak about

Fixed it for you.

 

[ASABound]

First of all, I didn't vote for that poor excuse of a president "Obama"!! I appreciate where you are coming from. The only thing I am saying is that we aren't paid for the amount of responsibility that we take on. What bothers me more than the money especially with this last bidding issue is that the company could care less about our quality of life.....we can't let them have their cake and eat it too..

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[SiuDude]

First of all, I didn't vote for that poor excuse of a president "Obama"!! I appreciate where you are coming from. The only thing I am saying is that we aren't paid for the amount of responsibility that we take on. What bothers me more than the money especially with this last bidding issue is that the company could care less about our quality of life.....we can't let them have their cake and eat it too..

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Well at least not everyone is critical of the company.

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[SpaceShipEarth]

The company doesn't set the pay scales, the market does. If you don't like the pay, demand a raise and say if you don't get it then you will quit. If everyone starts quitting then pay rates will go up, regional business models will collapse, and the lucky survivors will all fly for mainline.

 

[ASABound]

Spaceshipearth, I couldn't agree more. Or we can just have some dignity and self respect while digging in and standing our ground. If it goes under, it won't be because we weren't accountable or that we didn't have enough self respect and ethics to stand up for what was right and what we believe......

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[JumpersAway]

There ain't no raisin' the bar at a regional. Even if you raised pay across the board at EVERY regional airline out there, some idiot would just start another airline to suit the contractual (cost) needs of the mainline airlines. Reference Compass and MidAtlantic, as an example.

The solution is simple- go to an airline that is the puppet master, rather than the puppet. Wanting whiz bang schedules and mac daddy pay here is pipe dream, unless you are kamikazi-esque. My favorite are the ASAlifers that think we're on Delta's bad side due to performance........ when in actuality it is 100% about money. Don Bornhorst said it outright- he doesn't care about ASA people, their flight benefits, or schedules. It's all about COST.

Don't like 7leg days? Than don't fly for a regional that has them.

 

[Abernathy]

First of all, I didn't vote for that poor excuse of a president "Obama"!!

So then you voted for the guy who called airline pilots "greedy" and likened UAL pilots efforts to get a new contract with being "unpatriotic"?

Yeah, this guy , who bitched about UAL pilots refusing overtime during negotiations. Since when the F*** is OVERTIME something the American worker is forced to accept?

You guys really are a funny bunch.

 

[dojetdriver]

It should be pointed out that TWA ended up not being an economically viable entity, and those pilots who won that battle lost the war.

And if you're foolish enough to believe that the pilots having 100% control over PBS was the nail in the coffin that led to TWA's demise, I don't know what to tell you. They were done LONG before it even happened.

Pilot costs are not what takes an airline down, reducing pilots costs isn't what makes a company economically viable.

 

[COOPERVANE]

They took the popcorn machine out of the crew lounge to save money.

They are looking for every penny

I think pilot costs might be a consideration

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

They took the popcorn machine out of the crew lounge to save money.

They are looking for every penny

I think pilot costs might be a consideration

But yet they continue to pay bottom dollar to schedulers (you get what you pay for) and accept the HUGE inefficiencies that result.

I'll believe the company is doing everything possible to save money when crew utilization gets the attention it deserves. Until then, the cost of popcorn machines and the like are just drops in a bucket...

 

[SiuDude]

They took the popcorn machine out of the crew lounge to save money.

They are looking for every penny

I think pilot costs might be a consideration

Aah, the old popcorn machine trick. Removing it does absolutely nothing for the company's bottom line but it gets the pilots talking.