XJET (ASA) New Hire class in April

[777forever]

In a couple of years, ASA (if it exists) will be in a world of Hurt trying to lure pilots to work here. They have created a horrible work environment.

They will throw up their arms and say "what happened.....I thought we had synergy.......SYNERGY!....... And stuff......mini Indy and performance plus and all stars....why don't people wanna come here?"

What regional airline doest have a "horrible" work environment?

And by horrible Im guessing you're on the 200. 700/900 work environment is far from horrible, even on reserve.

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

 

[Av8trix616]

A700/900 work environment is far from horrible, even on reserve.

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

Pssh. 5 and 6 day trips (from April to Aug last year), "off" days that exist only at the whim of scheduling, and 4+ years on reserve is horrible, no matter what equipment you're doing it in. It's still a Poop Sandwich, just the lunchbox is prettier.

 

[777forever]

Pssh. 5 and 6 day trips (from April to Aug last year), "off" days that exist only at the whim of scheduling, and 4+ years on reserve is horrible, no matter what equipment you're doing it in. It's still a Poop Sandwich, just the lunchbox is prettier.

I know what you mean. I was on reserve for 3 years on the 700/900. For me, a 5 day reserve trip on 700/900 went alot faster than these 20+ leg 4 days on the 200. As soon as I can hold any kind of a line on the 700/900 in ATL Im bidding back

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

 

[SpaceShipEarth]

I much rather have weekends off on RSV on the 7/9 than hold a line over the weekends on the 200... just my opinion.

 

[dojetdriver]

Negative, we aren't owned by Legacy carrier and have long term contracts in place. Now American Eagle is in a very strong position to be the next Comair

Good point, we're not owned by a legacy. We're owned by a holdings company that owns multiple regional carriers. So it's actually WORSE than being owned by legacy. Instead of the legacy telling the wholly owned how high to jump and when, the legacy gets to the tell the holdings company, which in turn gets to tell which regional airline they see fit when to jump, and how high. So it kinda makes the specific airline the b1tch that is twice removed.

When you compare the overseas pay to here, absolutely cant blame them. I can more than triple my 105 credit take home by going to Qatar or EK.

So with all the money you make at 105 credit hours, why don't you just go buy your own ATP, GTFO, and go to Qatar or EK ASAP so you can stop you're b1tching?

When we all get the free ATP, we'll all meet the last req that holds most of us from interviewing over there

Well, unless Ek decides to set down a minimum MGTOW that may exceed a -900's just to apply again.

 

[777forever]

Good point, we're not owned by a legacy. We're owned by a holdings company that owns multiple regional carriers. So it's actually WORSE than being owned by legacy. Instead of the legacy telling the wholly owned how high to jump and when, the legacy gets to the tell the holdings company, which in turn gets to tell which regional airline they see fit when to jump, and how high. So it kinda makes the specific airline the b1tch that is twice removed.



So with all the money you make at 105 credit hours, why don't you just go buy your own ATP, GTFO, and go to Qatar or EK ASAP so you can stop you're b1tching?



Well, unless Ek decides to set down a minimum MGTOW that may exceed a -900's just to apply again.

You make absolutely no sense

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

 

[COOPERVANE]

What regional airline doest have a "horrible" work environment?

THIS regional used to be a pretty good place to work. You must not have been here then.

 

[probablecause]

Help me with my math here. I have been a bidding reserve now for 53 months. I get 11 guaranteed days off a month. Say a line holder has a conservative average of 14 days off a month. 53 X 3 = 159. 159 / 7 = 22 weeks.

That is 22 weeks that so far I have been unable to plan something with my wife, attend kids games, schedule appointments, or drink cold beverage. Moreover my wife cannot plan any type of social event with anybody without first saying "we will see, He's on call that night.

One could say "well why don't you change base, equip, or seat then". Well I suppose that is a possibility but the next guy junior to me will have the same damn problem. I am not looking out for his welfare btw, I'm just restating the obvious that reserve DOES SUCK at ASA period!

 

[49W]

Help me with my math here. I have been a bidding reserve now for 53 months. I get 11 guaranteed days off a month. Say a line holder has a conservative average of 14 days off a month. 53 X 3 = 159. 159 / 7 = 22 weeks.

That is 22 weeks that so far I have been unable to plan something with my wife, attend kids games, schedule appointments, or drink cold beverage. Moreover my wife cannot plan any type of social event with anybody without first saying "we will see, He's on call that night.

One could say "well why don't you change base, equip, or seat then". Well I suppose that is a possibility but the next guy junior to me will have the same damn problem. I am not looking out for his welfare btw, I'm just restating the obvious that reserve DOES SUCK at ASA period!

Don't forget to add the difference in pay between 75 hrs average for you and a 90 hour lineholder average.

 

[Nevets]

THIS regional used to be a pretty good place to work. You must not have been here then.

Under your current contract?

 

[Clutch]

Under your current contract?

Yes.. For the first 6 months of the current contract.

 

[Nevets]

Yes.. For the first 6 months of the current contract.

Must be a perspective thing.

 

[Clutch]

Must be a perspective thing.

Nope.. That's how long it took management to use the weak contract language to screw us.

But that first 6 months, our contract was the tits!

 

[Leroy Smith]

I dont think the folks from EWR/IAH/CLE/ORD can understand the dynamic. The contract was pretty solid and offered HUGE improvements over what we had. The change in the flying that we do - I would guess that on the CR2 we used to average close to 2hrs per leg, now it barely breaks 1hr per leg- has decimated our QOL. To have decent credit, we are flying 16 leg 3 days or 20-24 leg 4 days. Combine with the cost cutting of a management looking for "efficiencies" and the sched from Delta - full of operational holes that get plugged with airport appreciation, 3 hr plane swaps at outstations and RR overnights, and you have a steaming pile. Not the contract causing MOST of the problems. Your contract might improve some things, our last contract certainly did - vast improvement. Example - CDOs used to pretty much suck - there were some vampires who liked them, but it generally went way junior - the first step off reserve. The current contract made them hugely popular - the credit they were worth with the sched one could get - awesome. After a while the company realized that the nappers were making out like bandits, and now they are pretty much gone- a few remain for the lucky few who can hold them.

The Point- our contract was premised on the conditions we were flying in at the time it was negotiated- in that regard it was an resounding success. Our PBS system would be providing us with puppies and unicorns if we were still working the same pool of flights we had even 2 years ago, let alone 5... Do not assume that the underlying assumptions about your operation will stay the same.

 

[777forever]

I dont think the folks from EWR/IAH/CLE/ORD can understand the dynamic. The contract was pretty solid and offered HUGE improvements over what we had. The change in the flying that we do - I would guess that on the CR2 we used to average close to 2hrs per leg, now it barely breaks 1hr per leg- has decimated our QOL. To have decent credit, we are flying 16 leg 3 days or 20-24 leg 4 days. Combine with the cost cutting of a management looking for "efficiencies" and the sched from Delta - full of operational holes that get plugged with airport appreciation, 3 hr plane swaps at outstations and RR overnights, and you have a steaming pile. Not the contract causing MOST of the problems. Your contract might improve some things, our last contract certainly did - vast improvement. Example - CDOs used to pretty much suck - there were some vampires who liked them, but it generally went way junior - the first step off reserve. The current contract made them hugely popular - the credit they were worth with the sched one could get - awesome. After a while the company realized that the nappers were making out like bandits, and now they are pretty much gone- a few remain for the lucky few who can hold them.

The Point- our contract was premised on the conditions we were flying in at the time it was negotiated- in that regard it was an resounding success. Our PBS system would be providing us with puppies and unicorns if we were still working the same pool of flights we had even 2 years ago, let alone 5... Do not assume that the underlying assumptions about your operation will stay the same.

Very well said sir. The reduction of stage length has been the main culprit of the reduction of QOL. Even management is struggling because now they are getting paid a nice rate reset while getting significantly increased maintenance costs due to higher cycles being put on the 200. The plane was not built for 7 leg days

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

 

[Nevets]

I dont think the folks from EWR/IAH/CLE/ORD can understand the dynamic. The contract was pretty solid and offered HUGE improvements over what we had. The change in the flying that we do - I would guess that on the CR2 we used to average close to 2hrs per leg, now it barely breaks 1hr per leg- has decimated our QOL. To have decent credit, we are flying 16 leg 3 days or 20-24 leg 4 days. Combine with the cost cutting of a management looking for "efficiencies" and the sched from Delta - full of operational holes that get plugged with airport appreciation, 3 hr plane swaps at outstations and RR overnights, and you have a steaming pile. Not the contract causing MOST of the problems. Your contract might improve some things, our last contract certainly did - vast improvement. Example - CDOs used to pretty much suck - there were some vampires who liked them, but it generally went way junior - the first step off reserve. The current contract made them hugely popular - the credit they were worth with the sched one could get - awesome. After a while the company realized that the nappers were making out like bandits, and now they are pretty much gone- a few remain for the lucky few who can hold them.

The Point- our contract was premised on the conditions we were flying in at the time it was negotiated- in that regard it was an resounding success. Our PBS system would be providing us with puppies and unicorns if we were still working the same pool of flights we had even 2 years ago, let alone 5... Do not assume that the underlying assumptions about your operation will stay the same.

Same thing has happened to the CRJ ever since Skywest started operating their 700s in IAH. Yet we continue to benefit from pur contract despite management's attempt at cost cutting. But like you said, your contract offered huge improvements over what you had. Hence, my perspective comment.

 

[777forever]

Same thing has happened to the CRJ ever since Skywest started operating their 700s in IAH. Yet we continue to benefit from pur contract despite management's attempt at cost cutting. But like you said, your contract offered huge improvements over what you had. Hence, my perspective comment.

Oh please. Ive seen the ERJ schedules in IAH. Plenty of long legs. Absolutely no comparision to the ATL CRJ

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

 

[Clutch]

It always comes back to you and your contract, doesn't it, nevets? Give it a rest, man. You sound desperate.

 

[sweptback]

Yet we continue to benefit from pur contract despite management's attempt at cost cutting. But like you said, your contract offered huge improvements over what you had. Hence, my perspective comment.

You obviously weren't around before you guys got your contract. CoEx had a pretty terrible contract prior to that; in fact, I'd take ASA's 1998 contract over your prior one in a heartbeat. Our '98 contract, while lacking in QOL, had decent pay and better workrules than what most regional carriers have now.

ExpressJet had a lot of leverage in their contract negotiations (the fact that they operated all of the CO jet flights for one, and had an insane profit margin for those flights) and was able to knock it out of the park in their negotiations. The realities are different in the regional industry today.

I'm not advocating concessions, in any shape or form, I'm just think that any airline with such a sweetheart deal as what you guys had in the early 2000s could have negotiated as good or better of a contract.

 

[Nevets]

Oh please. Ive seen the ERJ schedules in IAH. Plenty of long legs. Absolutely no comparision to the ATL CRJ

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

Actually, many of our long legs are being done with Skywest 700s. So we have seen degradation of productivity but fortunately or unfortunately our contract doesn't allow anything more than 6 leg duty days.

It always comes back to you and your contract, doesn't it, nevets? Give it a rest, man. You sound desperate.

Desperate for what? That doesn't make sense. Anyway, I was just pointing facts. I'm sorry it bothers you enough that you feel the need for personal attacks.

You obviously weren't around before you guys got your contract. CoEx had a pretty terrible contract prior to that; in fact, I'd take ASA's 1998 contract over your prior one in a heartbeat. Our '98 contract, while lacking in QOL, had decent pay and better workrules than what most regional carriers have now.

ExpressJet had a lot of leverage in their contract negotiations (the fact that they operated all of the CO jet flights for one, and had an insane profit margin for those flights) and was able to knock it out of the park in their negotiations. The realities are different in the regional industry today.

I'm not advocating concessions, in any shape or form, I'm just think that any airline with such a sweetheart deal as what you guys had in the early 2000s could have negotiated as good or better of a contract.

No I wasn't but thanks for making my point. It's a matter of perspective. The reality though is that we are in 2012 (8 years after the erj contract was negotiated) and not in 1998, again, making my point exactly.