XJ to NWA -- Perhaps not.

[Occam's Razor]

Thanks!

We all do what we can.

 

[profit]

Well, since nobody else has, let me state for the record.

Thanks to the NWA MEC and negotiators for providing the flow through to XJ. Most people out there don't realize that it didn't have to exist if it weren't for them. (and to Wychor who has wanted this for years, but will never personally benefit from it)

It may not be the seniority integration you all dream of, but its a lot more than you will find currently at any other Major/Regional.

And if Occam's Razor is a "Muppet," he must at MINIMUM be Dr. Bunsen Honeydew.. By the way, what the hell does that mean anyway, calling someone a MUPPET?

 

[XJohXJ]

I always thought the Sam the Eagle would fit in well on this site.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Maybe...but I do look a lot like Dr. Bunsen Honeydew

 

[xjhawk]

having the flow does a couple things for my career. It opens up the possibility of being at NWA without a interview in about four years. Also it makes movement of the seniority list a guaranteed thing. It also will for the same reason make my schedule better in the future, for people will still be going to such places as other legacy's fedex to name a few as well the extra 3-9 a month going to the flow. So the way I see it, I will now only have to look for work and interview for those places I covet the most. And when my time is up for the flow and I could not get on somewhere better........(there are better options out there even though there is not a base in MSP) I will flow. So in the next 4 years I get a opportunity to fly for SWA FEDEX etc, I will go. If not, I wait for the flow. But I will say this to many out there. If XJ stays a solid feeder for NWA, it is not a bad option to stay. Living in the base you work and flying a okay schedule while making about a 100 grand is not a bad thing.

 

[QuasarZ]

having the flow does a couple things for my career. It opens up the possibility of being at NWA without a interview in about four years. Also it makes movement of the seniority list a guaranteed thing. It also will for the same reason make my schedule better in the future, for people will still be going to such places as other legacy's fedex to name a few as well the extra 3-9 a month going to the flow. So the way I see it, I will now only have to look for work and interview for those places I covet the most. And when my time is up for the flow and I could not get on somewhere better........(there are better options out there even though there is not a base in MSP) I will flow. So in the next 4 years I get a opportunity to fly for SWA FEDEX etc, I will go. If not, I wait for the flow. But I will say this to many out there. If XJ stays a solid feeder for NWA, it is not a bad option to stay. Living in the base you work and flying a okay schedule while making about a 100 grand is not a bad thing.

I assume you have been at Mesaba for a while resulting in a 4yr flow. What are your predictions on the flow time for a New Hire FO?

 

[DoinTime]

It opens up the possibility of being at NWA without a interview in about four years.

Thats assuming that NWA exists in four years. Currently, that seems to be a long shot.

 

[CptMurf]

1. Pilots don't hire. At NWA. Anywhere else. Ergo, your lame premise fails ipso facto.

Maybe not most airlines, but there is a least one that I am know for a fact that pilots hire.

If you interview at SWA you will meet about 4 pilots during your interview. The pilot interview, logbook interview, and 2 during you LOI. You are then either recommended for hire or not and that goes to the board (which is made up of the chiefs + some HR folks). During your wait from interview to board all pilots on property see you name and can recommend or deter your employment.

If that's not pilots hiring pilots, I don't know what is. Thus (leaving your derogitory adjectives out) your premis fails ipso facto.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Huh? Some pilots are involved in the hiring process...and you consider that "hiring"?

Can you post the section of the SWAPA contract, or the SWA FOM that addresses how pilots hire other pilots?

 

[CptMurf]

Huh? Some pilots are involved in the hiring process...and you consider that "hiring"?

Can you post the section of the SWAPA contract, or the SWA FOM that addresses how pilots hire other pilots?

Can you post the section of ANY contract, or their respective FOM that addressess how pilots ARE hired, or who hires them.

The point is....don't speak for pilot groups that you are not directly involved in or a part of.

 

[xjhawk]

a new hire at XJ? well, do some guessing on the flow, take into account NWA hiring (that it will max out our flow and that of Compass in two years)

some assumptions (guess's):
seniority number 0-100 5% flows
" " 100-150 15-20% flows
151-200 25-30% flows
201-300 50-75% flows
300-400 75% flows
400 on up 80-90% flows

these are just my guess's from crew room talk and assumptions. do the math, figure it out. give yourself a plus or minus of 6 months to a year

your best plan is to use NWA as a backup plan, look to other airlines so you can get a seniority number quicker than waiting for the flow

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Flow-thru agreements negotiated by the mainline for the benefit of their feeders would indicate something other than "hate"

Hum, Yeah! We have all felt the love of the good'ol boys from the friendly NWA

 

[DoinTime]

(and to Wychor who has wanted this for years, but will never personally benefit from it)

huh? I'd expect to see Tom in one of the first classes.

 

[Andrew_VT]

Hum, Yeah! We have all felt the love of the good'ol boys from the friendly NWA

I got my initial taste of the NWA love on the day of my interview...guess I stood out like a sore thumb standing in the MSP pickup area in my suit.

"Mesaba?"
"Yeah!"
"What the Fu...Why the He...ok so what..you have like 300 hours or something" (he never actually finished any of his swears)

"well no, [insert history]"
"ok so...are you stupid...why are you willingly involving yourself with the NWA family"

I then proceeded to get 'educated'.

The guy did turn out to be a decent guy...but the initial hostility was incredible.

 

[profit]

huh? I'd expect to see Tom in one of the first classes.

Why do you think? So that he can take a pay cut that he could never recover from? I seriously doubt it. Then again, I haven't asked him since the 65 rule changed.