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Last update: September 21, 2006 – 11:59 PM

Mesaba lays out deadline for deals
With the airline facing a cash crisis, the unions got an ultimatum: Come to terms in a week, or it's back to court.
Liz Fedor, Star Tribune

Mesaba Airlines management and its labor unions took another step toward the precipice Thursday.
Management warned the unions that they must agree to new labor deals within one week or the airline will return to court for the fourth time in an attempt to void their contracts.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Gregory Kishel gave Mesaba approval in mid-July to nullify its labor pacts. However, management never acted on Kishel's decision, and last week U.S. District Judge Michael Davis took away that hammer, ruling on appeal that Kishel had erred.

Now Mesaba, having spent more than $10 million on lawyers and advisers so far in its bankruptcy, has little to show from the nine-month negotiating process but a dwindling cash position, an increasingly acrimonious relationship with its workers and no court authority to act unilaterally.

The company operates regional flights for Northwest Airlines.

Mesaba recently warned that it could face liquidation in October if there is no resolution to its standoff with labor.

Mesaba's unions gave no sign Thursday that they are ready to deal unless management is willing to bend. Tom Wychor, chairman of the airline's pilots union, said management has badly mishandled labor negotiations.

"The one thing they have achieved is a total loss of credibility among employees," Wychor said Thursday. "They have galvanized virtually every employee on the property against this management team."

He said it's time that executives show "some leadership and compromise off of their positions." He added that the pilots have offered to take cuts of 15 percent over three years. "The opportunity to kill the company is there if they choose to force the issue."

Mesaba spokeswoman Elizabeth Costello said union foot-dragging is forcing the company to consider renewing the court fight. She said Mesaba had planned to negotiate Thursday with the Association of Flight Attendants (AFA), but company representatives were left to cool their heels.

"Our negotiating team sat in the room waiting for them, and no one showed up," Costello said. "If we're dealing with union representatives who refuse to bargain, we must review all other legal options to ensure the survival of the company."

Tim Evenson, president of the Mesaba AFA, has a different perspective. He said the union will negotiate, but not if the airline continues to insist that a federal mediator participate. "The only reason Mesaba wants the National Mediation Board involved is to prevent a possible strike," Evenson said.

The carrier and its flight attendants union have not bargained since June 5.

Nathan Winch, a mechanic and negotiator for the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA), said his union and Mesaba will return to bargaining Tuesday.

Can they get a deal in two days' time? It hinges on whether "the company shows some movement," Winch said.

In a letter Thursday to the unions, Mesaba President John Spanjers said the company's eroding cash position is forcing the airline to quickly cut labor costs. If deals are not forged at the bargaining table, Spanjers said, Mesaba wants the legal option to impose new pay rates and work rules Oct. 15.

Since December, Mesaba has been pressing for 19.4 percent labor cuts locked in for six years. The carrier has pulled back slightly from that benchmark in recent weeks.

"All along, our efforts have been focused on getting consensual agreements," Costello said. The carrier is seeking roughly $5 million a year in savings from the pilots, about $2 million from mechanics and more than $1 million from its flight attendants. Currently, the average pay for a Mesaba captain is about $45,000 a year, mechanics earn $45,260 annually on average and a six-year flight attendant makes $21,276, according to union figures.

The labor conflict has come at a price to both sides.

According to U.S. Bankruptcy Court filings, attorneys so far have billed Mesaba $4.9 million, and consultants and advisers have submitted bills totaling $5.7 million.

"What we're spending on restructuring is a fraction of what other airlines have spent, yet we're still dealing with the same complex issues including the same labor unions," Costello said. Those numbers include $4.1 million to Mercer Management Consulting for working on financial models and restructuring company costs and $2.7 million to the Hawaii-based Marr, Hipp law firm that has served as labor counsel.

Wychor and Winch said Mesaba's decision to use the same lawyers as negotiators and litigators has made it difficult to reach deals.

Costello denied that allegation, adding that it was more cost-effective to use the same law firm in both roles.

The unions also have employed their own army of attorneys. Wychor said the Air Line Pilots Association alone has allocated as much as $4 million for legal fees and other activities in the labor battle.

"You can make a compelling case that a lot of money has been wasted," said John Budd, a human-resources professor at the University of Minnesota.

"If they had spent more time negotiating and less time litigating, they very well might have reached a deal that everybody can live with much earlier in the process."

But George Singer, a bankruptcy attorney from Minneapolis, said the high costs are common when an airline is forced to reorganize.

"Airline bankruptcies are expensive, particularly where there are [labor] fights that are protracted," he said.

Liz Fedor • 612-673-7709 • [email protected]

©2006 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.
 
At this point all they are doing now will be getting the employees to subsidize or break even with the money the company has blown on lawyers and other fees.

What a sham.
 
You guys will find BETTER jobs elsewhere, even if this mngt team kills the company! There is life after furlough and you'll find it's a blessing in disguise!
 
Mesaba: Building a $15 million bridge over a dollar to pick up a dime.
 
Mesaba: Building a $15 million bridge over a dollar to pick up a dime.

nice... :)

Who believes that Mgmt is reaaaaallly going to negotiate at the table this next week, or is this just a pretend-hurdle they need to do to see the Judge again...

NOFD
STFD
BTWC

And, oh yeah - no promise of growth, heck even guaranteed growth would make me compromise from that position.
 
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The reason the company is insisting on (phony) negotiations is very simple:

The company is calling in NLRB mediators. According to the sham judgement foisted upon the NWA FA's, once the NLRB is involved, you are now in negotiations, where, under the Railway Act, you may not strike. We all know that the NLRB, in the current political atmosphere, will not release any parties to strike, thereby allowing the company to keep up the farcical sham of pretending to negotiate, while forcing us to work at poverty wages, with no negative consequences to the company management. And believe me, any FO's with families will be quite litteraly living below the federal poverty line with the bullsh!t contract (which also includes NO USEFUL HEALTH INSURANCE WHATSOEVER) being crammed down our throats by the criminals in Blue Gentian Way.
 
You guys will find BETTER jobs elsewhere, even if this mngt team kills the company! There is life after furlough and you'll find it's a blessing in disguise!

That's a tough pill to swallow for the 15+ year Captains at XJ - and there are many!!! Good luck to each and every one of you at Mesaba! Does anyone know the latest numbers of how many are on furlough as of today? It's very sad to see all of those Avros sitting at the hangar in MSP.
 
220 something on furlough, additionaly almost 200 have gone elsewhere over the last two years (mostly in the last year)
 
226 furloughed according to the latest union email. Damn shame such good airplanes (from a passenger and pilot perspective) have to go.
Didn't realize just how nice they were til I got stuck in a CE-550... man what junky jets Cessna has built.... Now I understand what my old Learjet captain was talking about. And why he refused to consider any Cessna products and picked the LJ31 for his boss.
 
226 furloughed according to the latest union email. dang shame such good airplanes (from a passenger and pilot perspective) have to go.
Didn't realize just how nice they were til I got stuck in a CE-550... man what junky jets Cessna has built.... Now I understand what my old Learjet captain was talking about. And why he refused to consider any Cessna products and picked the LJ31 for his boss.

Try getting stuck in the Brasilian prop slinger after flying the BAC... Man that really was a nice bird
 
Well the autopilot on the e-145 is a POS compared ro the saab, but I guess I can't complain much about where I went after XJ sent me to the street. I still get to take trips out to MSP to watch the company crumble.
 
Let it burn. Sad to say that being a former XJ'er back in the days just after BB and "Keep 'em in the plane Wayne" when times were good, but enough is enough.
 
CURRENT Captain salary is 45K.

19% pay cut down to say 37K/year PLUS other contractual issues ?

Hell, the pay cut alone takes you from joke to ABSURD.

I'd rather work at Home Depot for 27K than put up with that garbage for 37K.

My god, you guys really have nothing left to lose.

Tell those pathetic crooks to bone themselves !

They want a "viable" carrier, so THEY can continue to make 150K/year.

Those talentless idiots know they cannot duplicate that salary anywhere else, especially after their hoplessly incompetant performance so far.

They'd be lucky to get a job at Home Depot.

Call their greed infested bluff !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Nothing wrong with Cessna Jets.....

Easy for you to say going from a nice new Encore to the nice new E-170.

I had to go from a near new LJ31 to the 7-8 year old Avros to a run out 25+ year old II that has something break on it every time it flys and not just incidential things... I'm talking breaks, generators, inverters, gyros, ect type of failures.
It's like going from a nice new Seneca 5 to old 101SA (Seneca 1) that Centennial used to rent out.
 
I worked there 16 yrs ago, and sincerely hope all the good folks have moved on, and the few tossers in the HQ have been left behind...sad thing to watch for sure
 
It really is the people..cause the SA227 was a shotty airplane for sure. But the folks I flew with made it one of the funnest places to be.
 
Hey SigPi, didn't they haul dead peeps around in 1SA ..... that thing had deamons for sure. Maybe that was the plane the dude took the dump in!!
 
i have looked at what other saab operators pay and i will admit, the saab rate for fo's at mesaba is a little above average. but the way i see it, i worked as an avro fo for years making 15 grand under the industry average, so i will not vote for concessions, why? because they owe me, and i am not taking consessions when they are taking millions of dollars in bonus's and want a 8 % profits, no way. I am riding this ship into the iceburg, and sinking it just like the titanic, unless some new captain can stear the ship in the right direction......we are doomed!
 
Average pay is $45k for captains at XJ. What they don't mention is that 200 Avro CA's took a nice $25K-$30k pay cut to make that over achieving average after management decided to have only a prop airline.

If any XJ pilot allows concessions.......
 
Hey SigPi, didn't they haul dead peeps around in 1SA ..... that thing had deamons for sure. Maybe that was the plane the dude took the dump in!!

Yes in it's previous days it was a Canadian registered airplane based in the Calgary area flying dead bodies around. I believe it has since left to return to the northern neighbors, but I don't know for sure. It is not still in the old BTL though.
 

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