XJ Memo about 9E & Delta

[Hulk Hogan]

One problem is that mgt sends out memos trying to change procedures, then they tell us to reference the fom/pom which completely contradict what their memo is trying to say. The "cargo door" memo is a perfect example and until recently the single engine ops on the SAAB (in which the POM said that single engine ops is highly discouraged). Our MGT is completely reactive with no abiltiy to think more than 1 inch farther than their own nose.

SAAB issues (don't know how the jet works)
This whole out time issue, in my opinion, was a way for the company to try and save a few pennies here and there by not paying the pilots while we wait for our very inefficient weight and balance program. So, we as pilots are expected to sit in a plane with the doors closed and an engine running without pay, yet we all know who would be held responsible if a problem were to arrise during the time before brake release.

I'm sure there are plenty of 9E guys that would agree that the ramp staff issues, atleast in DTW, are a major cause of most delays. However, we at XJ have become experts at shifting blame from one group of workers to another ...

 

[MN66pilot]

Maybe the delays, low on-time performance numbers and lower than normal completion factor has to do with the crappy weather that we have been expeincing lately. If I remember correctly, our performance numbers where rather high during the first 5 days of the month or so. And for saving on fuel, how about delay the flight for a half hour, instead of getting out on time and flying 100 miles completely out of the way and burning all that extra fuel, I thought fuel consevation was such a huge deal.

 

[Lazy8]

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[saabservant]

Are ANY of you guys running an engine and not getting paid? How stupid can you be? As long as that door is closed (and an engine running) YOU are responsible for the safety of that aircraft.
It does not matter what ANY manager trying to make himself look good says. You do not do this.
Has the MEC had any position on that? How about the safety committee?

Unbelieveable.

 

[gnx99]

Lazy 8, I'm not suggesting Pinnacle's numbers aren't better than Mesaba's. I frankly have no clue how the two compare. I just find it odd that the President of the company raves about our performance, while the Director of Operations says it's terrible. Someone isn't telling the truth.

 

[Max Powers]

If you don't like the guy so be it.. but he has a VERY VALID POINT. He also gave options to meet the goal. We are in dire times how we perform right now will determine our future. Fuel burn, on time performance are all critical. We may be wholly owned but we are still a sub contractor. Don't ever forget that.

Actually your a Contractor. Sub would be working for another contractor.

 

[fowingman]

i like saab servant's point..

hey has anyone email j.r or wilson or jeff. in regards to the memo, and offer any suggestions, if so, post them on here, and his reply

 

[Flybet3]

If you don't like the guy so be it.. but he has a VERY VALID POINT. He also gave options to meet the goal. We are in dire times how we perform right now will determine our future. Fuel burn, on time performance are all critical. We may be wholly owned but we are still a sub contractor. Don't ever forget that.

I hate to be a little bit** like you :beer:
But I couldn't agree more. I don't know about you guys but I still want to have a job and pretty much going up to the company and kicking it in the nut sack isn't going to help. I know that management is never loved at any airline, and yeah JR might be a tool. But purposely sabotaging the company isn't the solution. IMHO.
This is the one time that "showing the company up" is going to get hurt us more than help us.

 

[CptMurf]

I hate to be a little bit** like you :beer:
But I couldn't agree more. I don't know about you guys but I still want to have a job and pretty much going up to the company and kicking it in the nut sack isn't going to help. I know that management is never loved at any airline, and yeah JR might be a tool. But purposely sabotaging the company isn't the solution. IMHO.
This is the one time that "showing the company up" is going to get hurt us more than help us.

I personally would lrather keep the airline on time and kick management in the jimmie as much as possible.

 

[fowingman]

there are too many people new to the industry at XJ that havenn't been around the block. HAVE balls and a SPINE!!!!!!!

dont be pushed around like this. we are not going to loose are jobs, use your brain geez. we are not like 9e. for several months steenland, and anderson, and bastain, have been saying publicly about moving contract flying inhouse as much as possible. thats been said, ITS NO surprise that this is happening to freedom(mesa) and not pinnacle. its going to continue to happen, next will be express jet, with there 25 erj next year, their contract will not be renewed. expressjet has a decent performace and since it is out of lax they are not hampered with the jfk or the atl terrible traffic.

-I AM NOT SAYING KICK MGMT IN THE TEETH, or be pricks to them, what i am saying is.....
dont let people mistreat you, that memo in a way didn't just say we are not doing great, it said we suck , it said look for new jobs (actually with a quote) what a great morale booster. what i fear for is when the sluimp is over in a year or 2 the new pilots from here will have already set the precident for bending over , and there goes our money!!!

i'm not a ramp agent, nor a gate agent, i do my job and if need be will gladly assist in others, but i wont be blamed for the job fuctions of other work groups.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Playing by the rules is anything but hurting the company. I personally had oportunities to make "adjustments" to make ontime departures, especially with tamdar being fubar over the last couple of days, but decided not based on moral reasons as well as deciding not to cover up the inadequacies (sp) of the company. All of the said delays were caused by problems within the control of XJ. By covering those problems we are only hurting ourselves in the long run. Besides, everyone knows Mesaba is a b!tch company and there are no "jimmies" or "sacs" to be kicked. Infact, the only people that ever get kicked around here are the employees!

 

[MN66pilot]

I hate to be a little bit** like you :beer:
But I couldn't agree more. I don't know about you guys but I still want to have a job and pretty much going up to the company and kicking it in the nut sack isn't going to help. I know that management is never loved at any airline, and yeah JR might be a tool. But purposely sabotaging the company isn't the solution. IMHO.
This is the one time that "showing the company up" is going to get hurt us more than help us.

Flybet i really have a problem with your IMHO. You haven't been at XJ long enough to get it. I wouldn't say that we are sabatoging anything. Numbers are not down cause we are intentionally doing it, Maybe there are other factors like MX, WX, and lack of staffing. I do my best to get out on time, everytime, I'm not gonna block out with messed up logbooks or open write ups cause JR told us we need to get our perfomance up or else. Give me a break. Sorry for the shot about how long you have been at XJ, but some of us have put a lot of time and sweat into this airline and don't deserve to be told that we are sabatoging the airline by you, xjgearbtch or JR.

 

[Flybet3]

I personally would lrather keep the airline on time and kick management in the jimmie as much as possible.

I'm actually Ok with that LOL.

 

[Flybet3]

Flybet i really have a problem with your IMHO. You haven't been at XJ long enough to get it. I wouldn't say that we are sabatoging anything. Numbers are not down cause we are intentionally doing it, Maybe there are other factors like MX, WX, and lack of staffing. I do my best to get out on time, everytime, I'm not gonna block out with messed up logbooks or open write ups cause JR told us we need to get our perfomance up or else. Give me a break. Sorry for the shot about how long you have been at XJ, but some of us have put a lot of time and sweat into this airline and don't deserve to be told that we are sabatoging the airline by you, xjgearbtch or JR.

:beer:

 

[XJohXJ]

Look, this whole situation is pretty simple:

Delta will put the screws to everyone.

Spanjers is always going on about how good our numbers are. This leads me to believe that actual performance is not the key with Delta. Instead, what Delta really wants is to inspire fear within their contracted lift pilot groups.

Whatever the quality of our product and performance, Delta will find some way to try to make us cower and fear for our jobs, thereby swatting down another pesky unionized pilot group.

This business with the PCL 900's is basic Management 101 fear mongering for benefit while in negotiations. Unfortunately, real pilots' lives are affected by this (scummy) maneuver, yet there is little they can do to alleviate the pain. They are in negotiations, so mgt. is gonna mess with them regardless of actual performance.

With the merger, we will all be in negotiations. Pain is coming, no matter what our numbers (currently very good, once Wx is considered).

React how you will.

 

[avrorj-85]

Look, this whole situation is pretty simple:

Delta will put the screws to everyone.

Spanjers is always going on about how good our numbers are. This leads me to believe that actual performance is not the key with Delta. Instead, what Delta really wants is to inspire fear within their contracted lift pilot groups.

Whatever the quality of our product and performance, Delta will find some way to try to make us cower and fear for our jobs, thereby swatting down another pesky unionized pilot group.

This business with the PCL 900's is basic Management 101 fear mongering for benefit while in negotiations. Unfortunately, real pilots' lives are affected by this (scummy) maneuver, yet there is little they can do to alleviate the pain. They are in negotiations, so mgt. is gonna mess with them regardless of actual performance.

With the merger, we will all be in negotiations. Pain is coming, no matter what our numbers (currently very good, once Wx is considered).

React how you will.

Well said indeed!! For all you new folks to XJ, this is what we have been dealing with at least for the nearly 9 years that I have been here. Enjoy this brief respite of good times because I fear they will very soon be coming to an end.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

will be... I do believe they already have peaked. No more hiring and now they are starting to use ready reserves again... remember the last time those were used???

 

[contrail67]

Delta will eliminate who they want....they are controlling the ship on this one. No one is safe...from a possible furlough at a major or "lights out" at a regional. Good luck to all.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Flybet i really have a problem with your IMHO. You haven't been at XJ long enough to get it. I wouldn't say that we are sabatoging anything. Numbers are not down cause we are intentionally doing it, Maybe there are other factors like MX, WX, and lack of staffing. I do my best to get out on time, everytime, I'm not gonna block out with messed up logbooks or open write ups cause JR told us we need to get our perfomance up or else. Give me a break. Sorry for the shot about how long you have been at XJ, but some of us have put a lot of time and sweat into this airline and don't deserve to be told that we are sabatoging the airline by you, xjgearbtch or JR.

Whoa buddy, at no point did I say you were sabotoging the airline!!!!!! DON'T spin what I was saying. I'm only saying fly safe, and if you can't be on time because of issues.... that memo, had phone numbers to help resolve the issue. You got problems with MX, WX, staffing use that number. Think logically instead of with your emotions. I don't care if someone has been here 2 or 10 years, a valid point is a valid point. I've been at this company long enough and have earned my right to speak my mind. I've been through the negotiations, sham ch 11. Walked the picket lines, went door to door getting union members to registar to vote during the last presidental election. Believe it or not it is possible to support both the company and the union.

PS I'll be the first to say JR needs an assitant to massage his memo's into a more palatable form. He speaks his mind like many of us fellow pilots. I'm not justifying his actions. Look past the emotional aspect and analyse the meat of what he's saying. It's not like he sits on an Ivory Tower and just thinks of ways to "screw" the pilots. He's got people breathing down his neck to. He has a job as DO, and he will step on our toes often. Don't get me started on the ASAP issue. He needs to work with us and we need to work with him.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

J.T. needs help with his memos and crew web messages much more than J.R.