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Getting what you need weather wise at another airport is usually no problem. Weather sevices at different FBO's vary widely, but I have yet to see one that wasn't free, and regardless you can always call the FSS from a phone if nothing else is available.

As far as what's added to the flight plan at the last minute - just the wind information to calculate new headings, as well as ground speeds, ETA's, and fuel consumption. If I'm at an airport where maximum performance might be needed - I'll check over temperatures and run the figures, otherwise I pass. Of course, I'll be looking at whatever other weather affects my flight. Especially lately, I've been in the habit of checking NOTAMs whenever I can.

The other thing to remember is that even if you do all the flight planning in the world, conditions can change. You may find once you get up there that the weather is nothing like what was given to you earlier. Just remember to be flexible with your flight plan. It can be changed, and fight the urge to press on into deteriorating situations because the forcast said things would be okay.
 
Use DUATs

Archer-

I use DUATs for my weather. Gives you everything you need. Go to http://www.duats.com and register. Use that to print your weather, look over it, then call 1-800-WX-BRIEF to make sure you did not miss anything.

I have an x/c planning checklist that works pretty slick, and I'll post it for you later. Just practice your planning and get into the routine. It will be second nature after long. My CFI wouldn't sign me off for my Private checkride until I could do it ALL in 30 minutes. :)

It's not as tough as you think.
 
Is the DUAT weather information official, FAA aproved weather info like WSI stations?

And that x/c checklist would help a lot...I would appreciate it :D

thanx

Archer
 
It rejected my student pilot certificate number.

But I think it's because I havn't been able to change my address yet with the FAA. An adress change without notification would cancel your student pilot certificate?

Because it's the only reason I can think of the number not working...

either that, or DUATs doesn't have it...but I doubt that...

any thoughts on this?

Archer
 
Duats

Archer;

There is a pretty long lag time for DUATS to receive your student pilot number. However, there are instructions on the DUATS web page on how to forward your information to them if your number is not accepted. If your number does not work, I think there is an option that prompts you to the instructions on how to get signed up.

If I remember correctly, I made a copy of my student pilot certificate and current medical, along with a brief letter asking them to activate my account. A couple of days later, I was in business.

I second all of the comments about planning that have been posted so far. To me, the solo cross countries were the most fun part of training, hands down. I am almost done with my instrument rating now, and I had a blast flying the 152 all over the place this summer to build my xc hours. Have fun and be safe.
 
Did you fly on your own and pay the approx. 50 bucks/hour or so?
 
Do you mean did I fly all of the XC by myself? Yes. Sometimes I took my wife or brother along. I was very cautious about weather (and we had really good weather in Chicago this summer). Some things I learned:

1) know the weather inside out before you fly (PIREPS, TAF, METARS, call FSS, talk to pilots who were up earlier, listen to advice given)

2) Plan fuel reserves for at least double the mins. (1 hour day, 90 mins. night)

3) Fly to familiar places at first, and do full planning for new destinations.

4) Practice good pilotage at all times (matching landmarks to the maps, taking note of the relationship between landmarks and navaids, know where the nearest airport is, think of where you would land if the engine quits). Its amazing how much more comfortable you will feel the next time you make the same trip, and how much better your skills become the next time you go someplace new.

5) Try not to make any plans to be somewhere at a set time, at least at first. Cross countries are less stressful when you are going there on your own schedule. For that matter, reserve the plane for an hour or two after you plan to come back, so you are not rushed to return.

6) Enjoy it , man. This is the fun part! There's nothing better than being a new pilot, just flying around and seeing new towns, new airports, meeting people who actually mistake you for a pilot. I'ts cool.
 
Archer said:
It rejected my student pilot certificate number.

But I think it's because I havn't been able to change my address yet with the FAA. An adress change without notification would cancel your student pilot certificate?

Because it's the only reason I can think of the number not working...

either that, or DUATs doesn't have it...but I doubt that...

any thoughts on this?

Archer

Man it sounds like your sweating about nothing. I went to a 141 school. We didn't have radar or duats to look at (that I had access to). I did all my planning through FSS (amazingly they provided good info.) and calling awos, atis of enroute and destinations. Just start from the begining and think about what you need to do and what variables there are.

Don't let it all over whelm you. Take one step at a time.
 
Oh, poor Archer...

I have been where you are. My first cross country was one that caused me much anxiety and loss of sleep. And it didn't go well, either. I planned and planned, and re-planned. And I planned it right, too. When I called FSS I couldn't talk because I was so tongue-tied. The briefer was amused and helped me as much as she could, which was a good thing!

Then we took off, and I started looking for a checkpoint, which I found, but I couldn't do my calculations. And by the time I had some numbers written down, we had passed the next checkpoint. I couldn't fly or think by about 20 miles into the trip. My instructor refused to help me at all, and I was furious.

When we got to the destination airport, he wanted to eat lunch, but I was in the bathroom throwing up. Sounds fun, huh?

Don't be like me. I worried myself sick, literally. And it was unnecessary. Even after all those screw-ups, I made it there. I found the airport and we landed safely.

Now, fast forward 5 years and I'm an instructor. I can honestly say that the experience was good for me, because it has made me a better instructor. I have been there. I have felt what you're feeling. And I can surely relate.

When I have a student who is overwhelmed with the planning process, then we do ground and plan and plan and plan. I try to get them to use an old sectional at home and plan hypothetical trips just for practice. Then they bring in the planning to me and we go over it. I try to give them sectionals that are out of their area so it's unfamiliar. We plan the real proposed trip once without actually flying. Then we plan the trip a second time and go. If they are still feeling overwhelmed, then we plan a "short cross country." That's where we plan a trip to an airport that's only about 30 miles away and just practice finding checkpoints and doing the calculations and using the E6B. There's no pressure and we can take as long as we want.

One suggestion for you (if your instructor hasn't already offered it), make your checkpoints no less than 15 nm apart and no more than 20. If they are too close together, then you'll pass over the next one before you get your calculations done and logged. If they are too far apart you have time to wander off course (if, say, your compass hasn't been reset or the winds are different from the forcast). But inbetween those, find ones that are marked on your chart that are just to make sure you are still on course. Highways are good ones, and so are railroads. You don't have to do your calculations at those, just make a note on the chart that you've passed them.

All of this really is supposed to be fun. I make every effort to have a good time with my students, no matter what we are doing. Cross countries are serious stuff, but also probably the funnest part of your private training, because it's a culmination of everything you have learned so far.

There was an earlier post from a guy who said that after he got his private he never did planning anymore. That was inappropriate, in my opinion, for this thread. Unfortunately, in a public forun he has just as much right to post that as I do to post thig. He may not do planning anymore and that's ok for him, but it's a dangerous attitude for someone like you to develop this early in your flight training. The FAR's require that you have all available information before you go, and that means doing your planning and calculations to know if you'll have enough fuel and how long it will take, etc. Your method of planning may change, but you should still do it. When I fly for pleasure, I plan the trip and do the times. When I flew charter, we were required to completely plan the trip and note times and fuel consumption. When I flew freight it was easier because it was the same route every day, but I still figured winds aloft, because I needed to know how much fuel I would need for the trip. And, of course, W&B is a must for all of those things. As an instructor, I am an example to students, so it is doubly important that I do things the right way. The GPS is a great tool, and if you have one, you should use it. But at this point in your flight training, the goal is to learn pilotage and ded. reckoning. So don't turn on the GPS until you've got the fundamentals learned. It will only hurt you in the long run.

I can't wait to hear how the first trip goes. Don't feel pressured to make the trip just because it seems like times a'tickin'. Wait until the weather is right and you are ready and you'll be just fine. I have seen at least one offer for a flight planning checklist. I have one, too, if you woud like it. Just let me know. Good luck! And have fun!!

Rachel
 
Here ya go

Cross-Country Planning Checklist

1. _____ Check weather and make “go” “no-go” decision
*Conditions at departure, destination and Enroute
*Examine forecast weather conditions
2. _____ Complete weight and balance
3. _____ Plan your course on sectional, checking airspace
4. _____ Determine your True Course (TC) (Plotter)
5. _____ Determine your Magnetic Course (MC) (Variation)
6. _____ Determine your VFR cruising altitude
*Consider winds aloft and ceilings along route
7. _____ Record winds aloft velocity, direction and temperature
8. _____ Decide on power setting for flight
*Record BHP, RPM and GPH (Aircraft Manual)
9. _____ Determine True Airspeed (TAS) (Aircraft Manual)
10. _____ Computer and record WCA and GS (Flight Computer)
11. _____ Compute and record press alt. For dep. and dest. Airports
12. _____ Compute and record total distance of flight (Plotter)
13. _____ Determine time, fuel and distance to climb (Flight Manual)
14. _____ Determine fuel burn for remainder of flight after climb
*Use GS to compute time Enroute (flight computer)
*Use GPH to determine fuel burn
*Include proper fuel reserve (Day – 30min, Night – 45min)
15. _____ Determine if fuel required is less than fuel onboard
*Determine if a fuel stop is necessary
*Make sure airports of intended use have fuel (AFD)
*Confirm daily hours fuel is available
16. _____ Locate position of level-off from climb-out on sectional
17. _____ Pick out adequate checkpoints (Max 25 miles apart)
18. _____ Record Distance between checkpoints (Plotter)
19. _____ Record time between checkpoints (Flight Computer)
20. _____ Fill in airport frequencies for dep. and dest. (AFD)
21. _____ Draw airport diagram, runway lengths and numbers
22. _____ Record navaid freq and morse code identifiers (Sectional)
23. _____ Compute takeoff and landing distances
*Compare these to runway lengths
24. _____ Complete flight plan form on back of Navlog
25. _____ File flight plan. REMEMBER TO CLOSE IT!!!
26. _____ Go fly and have fun!
 
Archer said:
One question...if I'm going from Lafayette to Fort Wayne, the frequencies me and my CFI talked about where Fort Wayne's frequencies, Lafeyette's frequencies, and this Class Delta on the way, that supposevely has an approach control too, that is not listen on the A/F directory though...

Since you sound like your flying in my neck-o-the-woods (I'm in KGSH), stop by for fuel at Knox Starke Co - cheapest 100LL in the state!

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KOXI
 
As someone who has recently done my solo x/c I do know how you are feeling...but when you are done with the first one you will have a great feeling and your confidence level will shoot sky high (no pun intended) Enjoy your flight!!!!
 

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