Wrongful Termination from Colgan

[ultrarunner]

I have a friend who recently was wrongfully terminated from Colgan.

Who made the ruling it was a "wrongful termination"?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Fact, huh? Where did your friend get this factual information? The two 121 carrier I flew for, all the "facts" that came from anyone in the training department was Grade-A hog wash.

A more truthful statement has never been made. If you hear it form the training department/check airman. You can almost bank on it not coming true.

 

[ultrarunner]

Was he one of the folks who called in fatigued and posted he was hung over on his unsecured facebook account at the same time?

You can't be serious? Someone actually did that.

A 121 air carrier pilot actually DID that!!!!????

But then again, looking at some of the idiots that we call airline pilots today, and the need for people to post on Facebook every time they're going to go take a dump, I guess it's not hard to imagine.

loosers!!

 

[WayBack]

You can't be serious? Someone actually did that.

A 121 air carrier pilot actually DID that!!!!????

But then again, looking at some of the idiots that we call airline pilots today, and the need for people to post on Facebook every time they're going to go take a dump, I guess it's not hard to imagine.

loosers!!

Most likely that person had the token self portrait picture of themselves straight on with headset and sunglasses on, with the circuit breakers in the back ground.
Once in a while one will get creative and throw up the "rocker" symbol with their hand, while sticking their tongue out. As if they're saying "I'm a profession in the public eye, but behind close door I am a wild animal!"

Then you have the ever so popular status messages that say "Hey give me a call or drop me an email. If I don't get back to you right away, I'm 41,000ft somewhere over the Atlantic heading to Pigsnuckle, Arkansas".

I love how technology brings out the geeks in us.

 

[ultrarunner]

XXXXXXX v. Champlain Enterprises, Inc.
Not Reported in F.Supp.2d, 2004 WL 1616361
S.D.N.Y.,2004.
July 19, 2004 (Approx. 9 pages)

I was hoping for more salacious details.

Can't follow procedures, likely can't fly worth a crapolo, obviously needed MEGA IOE hours just to get through...

And then has the balls to pull the race-card when he's terminated.

Glad to see it all worked out for him!

And he'll sleep well knowing that every prospective employer will have googled his name before they even call him in, which they likely won't do.

 

[WayBack]

Can't follow procedures, likely can't fly worth a crapolo, obviously needed MEGA IOE hours just to get through...

And then has the balls to pull the race-card when he's terminated.

Glad to see it all worked out for him!

And he'll sleep well knowing that every prospective employer will have googled his name before they even call him in, which they likely won't do.

How were you able to open the document? Have a link you can PM me?

 

[skyking]

You don't know at what point those people at TSA washed out do you. It could very well be that it could have been during ground school or sim. If it was in ground school not very much money would have been invested. All I'm saying is that it could be very possible. Also any pilot I know who has worked at TSA or are aware of them have said that the training program their isn't near as good as other regionals.

 

[WayBack]

You don't know at what point those people at TSA washed out do you. It could very well be that it could have been during ground school or sim. If it was in ground school not very much money would have been invested. All I'm saying is that it could be very possible. Also any pilot I know who has worked at TSA or are aware of them have said that the training program their isn't near as good as other regionals.

No I don't, so why don't you provide them for us?
Even if they were washing out during ground school, that new hire costs money.Eventually they will have to hold another hiring session and have to hire a guy to replace him.
As a board member, I would be asking questions why are you hiring pilots who can't pass class?
Even if an airline has the worst training program in the world, they've had other pilots pass training. So what's the problem?

 

[Flybet3]

Was he one of the folks who called in fatigued and posted he was hung over on his unsecured facebook account at the same time?

Also, your buddy should be talking to his ALPA reps. They have some pretty involved people at Colgan.

Yeah call ALPA. They'll help

They're about as useful as an aviation degree on a 9 year regional FO.

 

[skyking]

I don't know why you are defending TSA so much. Were you in management over there? All I'm saying is what I've heard about TSA. Take it for what its worth. The problem is some airlines have been known to "overhire" and "pass" the ones they need who have alot of "buddies" in the company. If a person doesn't pass training with a particular company it could mean that they don't fit the corporate culture or their is a problem with the training department. You have to look at all the circumstances of why that person failed training. Maybe a company decided to cut back on routes while a person was in training. So the company "washes them out of training" because of that. Just because a person washes out doesnt necesarily mean they're a bad pilot. Back to the original discussion on TSA. All the info I heard was from various persons. I have yet to hear something positive about TSA. Nuff said.

 

[piav8r]

For all of you bashing ALPA... try spending a day in your local MEC's office, sit back shut up and just watch what goes on in there during their day to day operations. There isn't a volunteer that is in your local office that isn't trying to do what is best for their pilots... Grievance Committee members that try to remedy contract violations, they also deal with diciplinary issue, and some people even ALPA can't defend. ALPA has gotten peoples job's back who deserved to get them back, or kept them from getting fired...

Lets see... ALPA Aeromedical, Cheap loss of license insurance...

Are there probably some problems at ALPA? yep... is ALPA a piece of $hit? Absolutely not...

 

[WayBack]

For all of you bashing ALPA... try spending a day in your local MEC's office, sit back shut up and just watch what goes on in there during their day to day operations. There isn't a volunteer that is in your local office that isn't trying to do what is best for their pilots... Grievance Committee members that try to remedy contract violations, they also deal with diciplinary issue, and some people even ALPA can't defend. ALPA has gotten peoples job's back who deserved to get them back, or kept them from getting fired...

Lets see... ALPA Aeromedical, Cheap loss of license insurance...

Are there probably some problems at ALPA? yep... is ALPA a piece of $hit? Absolutely not...

If I went to go sit in my last MEC office, no one would be there to let me in. They're in a conference at an undisclosed location.....usually the local fishing hole, trying to see who can catch the most pounds of fish. Even the secretary would be at the bar on the corner, falling off her barstool at 2pm.

ALPA does fight for peoples job, but some people need to be let. ALPA has fought for guys who don't belong in the cockpit, just to try and chalk up another notch on the head board.

 

[CX880]

No I don't, so why don't you provide them for us?
Even if they were washing out during ground school, that new hire costs money.Eventually they will have to hold another hiring session and have to hire a guy to replace him.
As a board member, I would be asking questions why are you hiring pilots who can't pass class?
Even if an airline has the worst training program in the world, they've had other pilots pass training. So what's the problem?

I was there. The problem was that they hired anyone. I read tsa stuff and it really is not their fault training wise. The quality of people were pretty bad, add in the fact that TSA instructors have this boot camp mentality to training and you'll get a bad reputation. And once all said and done, it's not hard training in a sense of the stuff you have to do, it's psycologically hard because they make it that way. At a different airline's ground school, it was actually FUN to show up everyday while at TSA it felt like everyday was your last. Actually now that I think of it, there deffintaly personel issues at TSA.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If I went to go sit in my last MEC office, no one would be there to let me in. They're in a conference at an undisclosed location.....usually the local fishing hole, trying to see who can catch the most pounds of fish. Even the secretary would be at the bar on the corner, falling off her barstool at 2pm.

ALPA does fight for peoples job, but some people need to be let. ALPA has fought for guys who don't belong in the cockpit, just to try and chalk up another notch on the head board.

Being that you are not an ALPA member, why would you be allowed in any ALPA facility?

In addition, what is curious as to why you spend so much time bashing an organization that you have zero stake in. What do you have to gain?

 

[WayBack]

Being that you are not an ALPA member, why would you be allowed in any ALPA facility?

In addition, what is curious as to why you spend so much time bashing an organization that you have zero stake in. What do you have to gain?

If you read what I had typed, I said "My last MEC office"....as in my last airline job, until I decided to leave for a better life.

Don't take it as bashing ALPA, instead I am sharing my experiences with ALPA in order for the current guys to read and improve upon. I'm just trying to help ALPA get stronger, that is all.

But we're going to need some massive steroids, because ALPA is full of a lot of twinkle toe ferry's, and I am going to Pump... YOU up!

 

[samballs]

Was he one of the folks who called in fatigued and posted he was hung over on his unsecured facebook account at the same time?

Also, your buddy should be talking to his ALPA reps. They have some pretty involved people at Colgan.

At OH people have been telling ALPA to bug off and got their own lawyers, they did a lot better going without ALPA

 

[WayBack]

At OH people have been telling ALPA to bug off and got their own lawyers, they did a lot better going without ALPA

Woah nelly!!!

Hang on Rez, I'll get this one for you. "Prove it!"

Samballs, you depressed right now and feeling suicidal? You know saying something like this on FI.com is bound to get you beat down by Rez, PFT128 (If he's not still stuck in the slide at McDonald's PlayLand) and all the other ALPA Can Do No Wronger's on this board.