Wrongful Termination from Colgan

[LXApilot]

I have a friend who recently was wrongfully terminated from Colgan. If you or anyone you know has recently been subjected to wrongful termination or has strange circumstances regarding their termination from Colgan then my friend and his attorneys would like to hear from you. PM me for details.

All my best.

 

[Metro752]

Was he one of the folks who called in fatigued and posted he was hung over on his unsecured facebook account at the same time?

Also, your buddy should be talking to his ALPA reps. They have some pretty involved people at Colgan.

 

[WayBack]

What did you buddy do?
I'd question the lawyer who wants to talk to people from FI.com who have been "wrongfuly" terminated.
Now that they're ALPA, your friends now will NEVER get his job back. ALPA is just another set of management......in sheep clothing.

 

[rjacobs]

Most people I know that have been fired from airlines(hell any job really) feel that they were "wrongly terminated". Most of the things they say they did that got them terminated were either A. the straw that broke the camels back, yet they dont tell you about the beating they gave the camel or B. something so ********************ed up you wonder why they dont realize how wrong they were and it was a good thing they ONLY got fired.

Nobody fired from any job is ever going to feel it was the right thing to do.


Oh and tell your buddy its only Colgan, the rest of the airline industry knows what a ******************** bag mgmt team that place has and will usually at least listen to the story before drawing any conclusions or automatically denying somebody a job. Just like when I tried to get my buddy, who had been fired from training at TSA, a job at XJT and talked to one of the guys on the interview board and told him the story. The guys response was something like, "eh if somebody comes from TSA and was fired because they failed training, we dont take that against them, their training program is ********************ed up". My buddy got hired and passed training at XJT without any problems.

 

[CX880]

Just like when I tried to get my buddy, who had been fired from training at TSA, a job at XJT and talked to one of the guys on the interview board and told him the story. The guys response was something like, "eh if somebody comes from TSA and was fired because they failed training, we dont take that against them, their training program is ********************ed up".

No it's your buddy that is ********************ed up. TSA training is very easy but it's not for people that have a thin skin because they do push you. It's a fricking ERJ, AUTO and FADEC. How hard can they make it??? The problem is TSA didn't have that great of a pool to draw from and they did not necessairly want to pass them at all costs, hence the reputation of hard training.

 

[Raoul Duke]

so spill the beans on your "buddy" - what did you. . .er your "buddy" do to get fired. You know the saying, where there's smoke. . . Also how did you get the number for the attorney from the Simpsons - I thought ALPA had him on permanent retainer.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

wud he do... execute a properly recovered stall?

 

[funnyman12]

When I was at Colgan, I was threatened "disiplinary action" if I didn't rent a car without them supplying insurance on the rental since my deadhead flight was cancelled. Did I mention it was a drive between Allentown, Pa and LaGuardia at rush hour on a Friday. I was forced to do the drive and upon arriving in NY was told they covered the flight and go back to Allentown. I had no choice in the matter. I would have had disiplinary action or been on the scheduling "naughty list". This was prior to being unionized, but I think many folks do not understand the threats and actions Colgan used to get a flight completed. They threatened me to fly a plane with engine anti-ice inop into known icing. The Duty officer in dispatch told me that since the metar was showing scattered clouds I could legally do it. He said that the TAF didn't matter. Even though Albany was forcast 2000' overcast for the entire TAF period. I had to argue for 30 minutes and reluctantly they took me off the turn. I can tell you that their aggressive threats were successful on getting another pilot to eventually fly it. Did they ever fire me....no. But if I was an idiot, and they told me something was legal and I took the bait, they would self disclose and I lose my job. ALPA may su*k, but many have no idea to the extent a non-union airline will be unsafe. Unsafe at the expense of the pilot.

 

[NEDude]

Be careful when suing an airline for wrongful termination. We had a guy at CommutAir do that and inthe final ruling, in favor of the company, the judge stated that allowing Mr. X to continue to fly as a crew member put CommutAir passengers and employees at an unacceptable risk of "catastrophe". This ruling is a matter of public record and anyone wanting to research his background could find the entire court case, all of the evidence, and the ruling. He was offered the chance to resign and did not take it.

The point being that if the company wants you gone, you are gone. Take the easiest way out. Colgan may be a rotten company, but you can bet they have a lot more money for attorneys and could probably produce a mountain of paperwork to back up their firing if they needed to. Seems like a lot of work and very high risk for relatively small reward.

PS- The guy at CommutAir was a VERY scary pilot.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

PS- The guy at CommutAir was a VERY scary pilot.

Stories such as these are always welcomed...

 

[Ex1900Driver]

PS- The guy at CommutAir was a VERY scary pilot.

Yes he was!!!

 

[rumorhasit]

Details? Scary how?

 

[Metro752]

Details? Scary how?

Needle sharp fangs, razor sharp claws, and a thirst for human flesh!

 

[WayBack]

Needle sharp fangs, razor sharp claws, and a thirst for human flesh!

grandma!?

 

[Mike man]

Needle sharp fangs, razor sharp claws, and a thirst for human flesh!

Don't post after movie night with the lady friend, far too many references to Twilight.

 

[rumrunner300]

XXXXXXX v. Champlain Enterprises, Inc.
Not Reported in F.Supp.2d, 2004 WL 1616361
S.D.N.Y.,2004.
July 19, 2004 (Approx. 9 pages)

I was hoping for more salacious details.

An interesting read on Civil Procedure and Summary Judgment though.

It never seems to be what it seems when all the seeing is done. (i just made that up, as far as I know)

rr

 

[skyking]

I disagree about the post on being the pilots fault for termination at TSA. I know for a fact that a friend of mine who was at TSA training had an instructor that told him that TSA at least in the mid to late 90s ( I dont know about now) had an 80% washout rate. To me that tells me obviously its not just an individuals problem its the training department.

 

[LXApilot]

I'm not commenting on the case except to say that I listened to the story and was shown all of the recovered documentation and the result was my being completely dumbfounded as to why the termination took place... it wasn't me who was involved. But I am forwarding all of this to my friend who is concerned that commenting publicly or revealing details of the case could jeopordize his chances of winning the case. BTW- ALPA completely dropped the ball on this one. I've really lost a lot of faith in their future ability to represent me when I return to the industry after seeing what they have done/haven't done for my friend.

 

[WayBack]

I disagree about the post on being the pilots fault for termination at TSA. I know for a fact that a friend of mine who was at TSA training had an instructor that told him that TSA at least in the mid to late 90s ( I dont know about now) had an 80% washout rate. To me that tells me obviously its not just an individuals problem its the training department.

Fact, huh? Where did your friend get this factual information? The two 121 carrier I flew for, all the "facts" that came from anyone in the training department was Grade-A hog wash.
Any airline had a 80% washout rate, they would get a visit from the FAA, along with the chair board being a little concerned as to why management is wasting thousands of dollars into each pilot to be trained and then just washing them out.
I have a feeling your 80% is a little far fetched. But yet this is FI.com, where everything is a fact. Even rumors are factual.

 

[WayBack]

BTW- ALPA completely dropped the ball on this one. I've really lost a lot of faith in their future ability to represent me when I return to the industry after seeing what they have done/haven't done for my friend.

Oh no you din't!
You have just black listed yourself. The ALPA chest thumpers on FI.com will tell you that you are misinformed, they will insult your intelligence and then Rez will use his $5 words to try and stump you.
Oh, I also forgot. PFT128 will not be sending you a Christmas card this year.

 

[ultrarunner]

I have a friend who recently was wrongfully terminated from Colgan.

Who made the ruling it was a "wrongful termination"?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Fact, huh? Where did your friend get this factual information? The two 121 carrier I flew for, all the "facts" that came from anyone in the training department was Grade-A hog wash.

A more truthful statement has never been made. If you hear it form the training department/check airman. You can almost bank on it not coming true.

 

[ultrarunner]

Was he one of the folks who called in fatigued and posted he was hung over on his unsecured facebook account at the same time?

You can't be serious? Someone actually did that.

A 121 air carrier pilot actually DID that!!!!????

But then again, looking at some of the idiots that we call airline pilots today, and the need for people to post on Facebook every time they're going to go take a dump, I guess it's not hard to imagine.

loosers!!

 

[WayBack]

You can't be serious? Someone actually did that.

A 121 air carrier pilot actually DID that!!!!????

But then again, looking at some of the idiots that we call airline pilots today, and the need for people to post on Facebook every time they're going to go take a dump, I guess it's not hard to imagine.

loosers!!

Most likely that person had the token self portrait picture of themselves straight on with headset and sunglasses on, with the circuit breakers in the back ground.
Once in a while one will get creative and throw up the "rocker" symbol with their hand, while sticking their tongue out. As if they're saying "I'm a profession in the public eye, but behind close door I am a wild animal!"

Then you have the ever so popular status messages that say "Hey give me a call or drop me an email. If I don't get back to you right away, I'm 41,000ft somewhere over the Atlantic heading to Pigsnuckle, Arkansas".

I love how technology brings out the geeks in us.

 

[ultrarunner]

XXXXXXX v. Champlain Enterprises, Inc.
Not Reported in F.Supp.2d, 2004 WL 1616361
S.D.N.Y.,2004.
July 19, 2004 (Approx. 9 pages)

I was hoping for more salacious details.

Can't follow procedures, likely can't fly worth a crapolo, obviously needed MEGA IOE hours just to get through...

And then has the balls to pull the race-card when he's terminated.

Glad to see it all worked out for him!

And he'll sleep well knowing that every prospective employer will have googled his name before they even call him in, which they likely won't do.

 

[WayBack]

Can't follow procedures, likely can't fly worth a crapolo, obviously needed MEGA IOE hours just to get through...

And then has the balls to pull the race-card when he's terminated.

Glad to see it all worked out for him!

And he'll sleep well knowing that every prospective employer will have googled his name before they even call him in, which they likely won't do.

How were you able to open the document? Have a link you can PM me?

 

[skyking]

You don't know at what point those people at TSA washed out do you. It could very well be that it could have been during ground school or sim. If it was in ground school not very much money would have been invested. All I'm saying is that it could be very possible. Also any pilot I know who has worked at TSA or are aware of them have said that the training program their isn't near as good as other regionals.

 

[WayBack]

You don't know at what point those people at TSA washed out do you. It could very well be that it could have been during ground school or sim. If it was in ground school not very much money would have been invested. All I'm saying is that it could be very possible. Also any pilot I know who has worked at TSA or are aware of them have said that the training program their isn't near as good as other regionals.

No I don't, so why don't you provide them for us?
Even if they were washing out during ground school, that new hire costs money.Eventually they will have to hold another hiring session and have to hire a guy to replace him.
As a board member, I would be asking questions why are you hiring pilots who can't pass class?
Even if an airline has the worst training program in the world, they've had other pilots pass training. So what's the problem?

 

[Flybet3]

Was he one of the folks who called in fatigued and posted he was hung over on his unsecured facebook account at the same time?

Also, your buddy should be talking to his ALPA reps. They have some pretty involved people at Colgan.

Yeah call ALPA. They'll help

They're about as useful as an aviation degree on a 9 year regional FO.

 

[skyking]

I don't know why you are defending TSA so much. Were you in management over there? All I'm saying is what I've heard about TSA. Take it for what its worth. The problem is some airlines have been known to "overhire" and "pass" the ones they need who have alot of "buddies" in the company. If a person doesn't pass training with a particular company it could mean that they don't fit the corporate culture or their is a problem with the training department. You have to look at all the circumstances of why that person failed training. Maybe a company decided to cut back on routes while a person was in training. So the company "washes them out of training" because of that. Just because a person washes out doesnt necesarily mean they're a bad pilot. Back to the original discussion on TSA. All the info I heard was from various persons. I have yet to hear something positive about TSA. Nuff said.