wreckless driving

[Chas]

a cops view on summonses

Unfortunatley many feel police take action out of some vengeance or power trip . The truth be told, a summons is just a number to most police officers. It is by the lack of better words just activity showing an officer is doing his job . I have written many summonses in my day but never personalize the issuance of a ticket . Once I write a ticket it is out of my hands as to how it is adjudicated. As you probably know many people who have "connections" get tickets dismissed or plea bargained.. Some because they have a large amount of capital and reserves to fight them Others who just have a friend watching out for them . Why shouldnt a hard working guy have some help too. Chas

 

[FN FAL]

a cops view on summonses

I hear you hommie, you guys got a job to do.

There was one speeding ticket I wish I would have fought to this day. It really doesn't matter career wise, cause the speeding ticket was from 1987 and it was for only 10MPH over the limit.

However, principal wise I should have fought that ticket. I was number three in a group of four cars pulled over by one cop. He clocked the lead car with his moving radar, he then made a u turn and supposedly clocked the last car with his odometer. I was number three and was getting the guilt by association ticket. He didn't clock me with radar or his odometer specifically and I could prove it in a court of law. I paid the fine by mailing it in, and I wish to this day I would have fought that one.

I had another incident where I sued the state patrol of this one state and got a settlement. The state trooper that was the reason for my suit, went on to injure a driver in a car accident while on duty and got charged with reckless endagerment. He was able to get his court case moved to a different county and got his charge reduced to reckless driving. This was while he was on duty and while he was driving a state patrol car.

I don't have a problem with putting it back to em. It's a two way street. They better have their T's crossed and their I's dotted.

A friend of mine came to me once with the sad news that he had gotten a DUI. He thought all was lost and was just asking me what he should do to notify the FAA on this thing. He was one of our jump pilots and was not really looking at a flying as a career. I took him to the trunk of my car and we whipped out the FARS and I told him what he needed to do on notifying the feds. I also told him he needed to get a lawyer to have a look at his DWI case. My freind thought the DUI case was open and shut, but his lawyer found a big mistake in the rookie's paperwork and got the DWI tossed out.

I don't have a problem with the job the boys in blue, or the boys in dark brown, light brown have to do, but I don't believe anybody should go down and be happy with being prosecuted with poor police work and bad workmanship. If a lawyer gets a guy out of charges or gets them reduced because the cop that wrote the paper did a bad job, it isn't because people and their attorneys are evil, it's because cops are negligent in their duties to do their job properly.

 

[Flightjock30]

When the airlines do background checks for court cases and criminal convictions do they also look at whats under your records at the Medical Information Bureau? Like if you have ever attended a rehab for alcohol treatment?

 

[wahoo250]

what comes up on these background court checks and medical checks. i believe that my strikes have run out...ive also had cancer in my history. thats a ticket i cant fight.

 

[flyifrvfr]

Another bone you might try to throw out if nothing else is working is "deferred adjudication".

It basically means, your worshipful judgeness, that if I keep my nose clean as a whistle for the next year, this will go away forever. Yet should I, your most obsequious, servile, and penitent citizen run afoul of the law again, you can hang me for both.

The idea being that they get a good reason to believe you will want to walk the straight and narrow complete w/sword hanging over your head, and you get the opportunity to prove this was a complete fluke never to be seen or heard about again.

Worked for me.

This is exactly the idea I was thinking of when I made my suggestion of hiring an lawyer.Deferred adjudication is the same as probation before judgment in Maryland.You don't get a conviction if you stay out of trouble for the next year and it goes away.Doesn't even show up on your driving record.That said,everytime I went to traffic court with a lawyer PBJ was given.In the few times I thought I could do the same as a lawyer and ask for pbj it was denied.Lesson learned,if you want the judge to be easy on you get a lawyer.In most cases the judge and the lawyer know each other.

 

[MetroSheriff]

I Don't Get It????

I thought you said it was not a DUI plead down to reckless.

But in this thread you say otherwise.


What is the real deal here????

 

[flyifrvfr]

Re: I Don't Get It????

I thought you said it was not a DUI plead down to reckless.

Well if this is the case you hade a DUI/DWI I hope they throw the book at you.The statement that follows is for anyone who drinks and drives.If you drink and drive and get caught don't cry and try to wiggle out of it.DUI is the most dumbest thing to do while trying to land a job that puts the interest of public safety first.How could anyone put people at risk by driving drunk and expect an airline to employ them after showing such poor judgement.I know some people are going to flame me over this post but go ahead.I have a clean driving record,I don't drink or smoke or do drugs and can speak with authority on the subject.I would love to be a fly on the wall when an applicant says to the interviewer,"well I did get locked up for drinking and driving but I would never do that in your plane with a load of liability in the passenger seats."

 

[MetroSheriff]

Re: Re: I Don't Get It????

I know some people are going to flame me over this post but go ahead.I have a clean driving record,I don't drink or smoke or do drugs and can speak with authority on the subject.

Not a flame but an observation.

If you don't drink, smoke, or do drugs, how can you speak with authority on the subject????

Sounds to me like you are in a position to provide anything better than good old-fashioned, garden-variety pontification.

 

[wahoo250]

convicted and being accused...two seperate things. by the way do you consider going out to dinner with a girlfriend, having two or three drinks in 1.5 hours and driving home driving under the influence? not trying to be snooty but there comes a point where someone has to draw a line

 

[flyifrvfr]

convicted and being accused...two seperate things. by the way do you consider going out to dinner with a girlfriend, having two or three drinks in 1.5 hours and driving home driving under the influence? not trying to be snooty but there comes a point where someone has to draw a line

I can't help the strong feelings I have for this subject.I hate to sound like Captain Obvious here but flying an airplane is a greater responsibility then driving a car however,if you show poor judgement while driving even after drinking just three drinks how would you handle the responsibility of flying an airplane.My previous post was a little harsh,maybe you will never do this again,I hope you understand the seriousness of the charge.Now what I mean by that is if you were out and you knew you might drink a few,don't drive.If you don't drink at all when you drive you can never be charged.I hope everything works out for the best.

 

[flyifrvfr]

Re: Re: Re: I Don't Get It????

Not a flame but an observation.

If you don't drink, smoke, or do drugs, how can you speak with authority on the subject????

Sounds to me like you are in a position to provide anything better than good old-fashioned, garden-variety pontification.

I can speak with authority on the subject because not only do I fly airplanes and aspire to fly for Netjets,I drive Tractor-Trailers.I'm a Professional Driver,as such I witness first hand the effect of dui.Drivers are the first ones on the scene of accidents we are first responders and I have seen the kaos and harm that dui imposes on innocent motorists.Your username says MetrSheriff,are you an Officer because an Officer would surely know that what I'm saying is not only true but an Officer would appreciate someone who doesn't do the vices I listed above.

 

[MetroSheriff]

Whoa Nellie!!! I agree with you. I was just being sarcastic. I have no sympathy for idiots who get behind the wheel after drinking. Even the old 1 or 2 with a girlfriend.

Drink + Drive = Jail

Not to mention No Airline Job for You. As for the double barrelled morons who get popped for DUI then try to cover it up at interview time by claiming it was "wreckless driving" (sp) , Tough Sh1t. You attempts at justification, i.e. "it was expunged so it is like it never happened", I say Bullsh1t!!! Not only are you stupid, but you are a liar.

You should have thought about your aspirations to fly for the airlines before you got behind the wheel.

There, that should clarify my position on drinking and driving, not to mention my feelings about these rediculous threads about guys trying hide their 502s from potential employers.

How's that?

I expect some flames from you drunk dri....err...I mean "wreckless drivers out there.

Have at it....

 

[wahoo250]

well i agree and now have a zero tolerance policy with myself. only time will test that. this is not going to stop any airline career that i may chose to do some day. thats a matter of fact as well. i let my guard down as it happened 2 miles from my house. wont happen again. as i mentioned before, im still flying jets and that wont change. if i have to ruff it making near airline salary traveling the world eating the best food and spending my time at those supid marriotte resorts with my wife not having to listen to passengers and the media about the job i do than i will do that. people make mistakes...that speeding ticket you all have could have killed yourself of someone else. same thing with that 40 dollar seatbelt ticket. i think some people here should be thinking about going into the ministry, not the airlines.

 

[wahoo250]

i accept the afterthought however flyifrvfr

 

[MetroSheriff]

well i agree and now have a zero tolerance policy with myself. only time will test that. thats a matter of fact as well. i let my guard down as it happened 2 miles from my house. wont happen again.

Good for you. One should learn from one's mistakes. That is a good sign.

as i mentioned before, im still flying jets and that wont change. if i have to ruff it making near airline salary traveling the world eating the best food and spending my time at those supid marriotte resorts with my wife not having to listen to passengers and the media about the job i do than i will do that.

Good for you you. If your job is so fantastic, I find it hard to beleive you would want to leave all that for an airline gig. Remember, you are the one who came on telling us how bad you needed to deal with this at an airline interview. We can only go by what you tell us.

that speeding ticket you all have could have killed yourself of someone else. same thing with that 40 dollar seatbelt ticket.

You are just trying to mitigate your DUI. Justify it how you want, you are the one with the 502, not me. I have certainly gone over the speed limit, but I try not to make a habit of it. That is really neither here nor there, however. But if it makes you feel better, you are correct, I could have caused an accident driving too fast.

i think some people here should be thinking about going into the ministry, not the airlines.

It doesn't take a minister to figure out that if you aspire to an airline career, it is probably not a good idea to drive drunk. Not even 2 miles from your house.

That is just common sense.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Related Question:
If it is a DUI plead down to 'wet' reckless- doesn't it automatically fall off your criminal record and driving record in 7 years in most states??

-thanks..

 

[wahoo250]

youe right..and i am not leaving the job i have..ithought about it and i am stupid for even thinking about it, also stupid for what i did. i admit it. i wish you the best of luck as well

 

[wahoo250]

life is one big lesson that when its over you can say that i wish i never did that. no one got hurt and no one will get hurt by me in that matter. ive learned. im just happy that it happened this way and not worse.