Wow! This may be a fun flight! Florida to Moscow

[NW_Pilot]

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Well Portland was fun though... can't complain about the $7 t-bone at the Acropolis!

MFR

Hey, Usually they have the best naked female humans in portland also but you were here on a weekday :laugh: ohh well! Steak & Girls!!! Portland has the best Strip Clubs in the US!!!

 

[timeoff]

But if you insist $1,000 + Expenses = WOW $$$$$

Don't look now, but I believe you are getting taken to cleaners. A g-note for that much prep and going on engines that are "tbo unknown". Once in a lifetime flight yes, but the risk v. reward? I mean, what are the performance characteristics when you lose an engine on the climb while still over gross? I'd say double your fee.

Interesting flight none the less.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Don't look now, but I believe you are getting taken to cleaners. A g-note for that much prep and going on engines that are "tbo unknown". Once in a lifetime flight yes, but the risk v. reward? I mean, what are the performance characteristics when you lose an engine on the climb while still over gross? I'd say double your fee.

Interesting flight none the less.

Nope, I am Unable to double my fee because there are to many asshole flight instructors and pilots that will do it for free just to log the time! I have to keep my rates just below reasonable to secure the deals! I enjoy flying & ferrying aircraft. It's always an adventure if I bust my ass like I always do I make some decent money.

 

[Check 6]

NWP, don't forget your HF radio and liferaft. You will also need to file ICAO flight plans and getting your flight plan routing accepted in Europe is a real challenge. This is why most operators use Universal or Airinc to do their flight planning.

 

[HS125]

Nope, I am Unable to double my fee because there are to many asshole flight instructors and pilots that will do it for free just to log the time! I have to keep my rates just below reasonable to secure the deals! I enjoy flying & ferrying aircraft. It's always an adventure if I bust my ass like I always do I make some decent money.

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A Squared, Thanks for the info Yes I Have pulled a Globe and looked. Right now I am just in the planning stages I am checking all available options to reduce the over water time. Seller don't seem to care about costs of getting it there more worried about goverment fees etc.

100% Solo, I will be on a Special Flight Permit & will be pushing gross or over gross with myself, safety gear & full fuel! I have not calculated the hours yet as the buyer (New Owner) is unsure exactly where he wants me to drop it off at. I figure 7 to 12 days depending on weather and service availability

NW Pilot;

I'm not trying to bust your chops. But, a grand + expenses for a week and a half's worth of work plus all the prep to make this trip is way too low. The owner is buying an airplane worth somewhere in the range of $500,000 U.S. and has hired you for your expertise to safely deliver it half way around the world. In the big picture $2,000 - $3,000 is still probably a bargain.

The owner has come to you because you advertise yourself as a professional at what you do and that you will do the job right and deliver the airplane. If the owner wasn't concerned about that, he/she wouldn't have hired you for the job. He would have hired one of those pilots who will do it for free. You get what you pay for!

If it was me making the flight, (besides asking for more money) I would take the Blue Spruce routes. There are more options for you if you encounter any difficulties along the way. If you have mechanical issues, you stand a better chance of getting proper maintenance somewhere in Europe rather than some BFE airport in Russia. Also, I would talk to and work with somebody like Air Routing to set up handling along the way.

 

[414Flyer]

Nope, I am Unable to double my fee because there are to many asshole flight instructors and pilots that will do it for free just to log the time! I have to keep my rates just below reasonable to secure the deals! I enjoy flying & ferrying aircraft. It's always an adventure if I bust my ass like I always do I make some decent money.

I did a couple crossings last year, and it was 1500 for those, which was still too low. I know you are worried about being undercut, but you are probably also undercutting experienced professionals who do it for a career.

Anyways, have you also considered all the equipment you will need? immersion suit, raft, inflatable lift vest, portable ELT or EPIRB. Get your expenses up front too. You will have a heart attack when you see the fuel bill in BIRK, although its possibly you might be able to go st johns to Wick Scotland without stopping in BIRK.

A CFI or someone with no experience would never get insured for this kind or trip. There is probably a lot of metal on the ocean floor between St Johns NFLD and Europe, so realize its a pretty unforgiving environmen too.

You can file your own flight plans, just learn how ICAO flight plans are done. You can get away without an HF radio depending on the route you take.

 

[Check 6]

VHF coverage on the "Blue Spruce" routes are not continuous at FL100 (10,000 in the U.S.) and below, at least that is what the authorities say. I have had good VHF comms on the "Blue Spruce" routes but at FL270/280. Considering he will be flying a non-pressurized Baron I assumed he would not be above FL100.

NW pilot you MUST have continuous VHF comms on your complete route or you SHALL have a working HF radio. There are many other issues involved that you need to study up on and know from memory.

NW pilot I agree with the other contributors that doing this trip for $1000 is not worth it. Yes, N. Atlantic crossing are exciting and challenging, but you are dealing with someone from SOUTH FLORIDA. That alone should raise some flags.

You will not likely have life insurance for this trip, so you should consider that if you have a family.

I made my most recently N. Atlantic crossing in January, so like other contributors here I know what I am talking about. You should be taking an Intl. Procedures Course (offered by many vendors) that costs more than $1000, or at least receive some serious training from someone who has done this a few times.

That water is cold down there my friend and a Baron with possible runout engines is a roll of the dice. Did I mention wife and kids?

The guy selling this Baron, more likely brokering it, is receiving 10% or more in commissions, and taking NO RISKS. You are taking all of the risks for $1000.

ICAO flights plans are not that simple in the Oceanic and European environment. Yes, you can fill them out but they will be rejected. I just completed a 6-1/2 contract domiciled in Italy and became quite familiar with Eurocontrol and ECAC, etc. It has become very complex. There are many other FP issues and regulations.

Lastly, I used to teach Oceanic/MNPS/RVSM ops and have made a few crossings. I would not ferry this Baron out of SOUTH FLORIDA for any amount of money, and I am currently unemployed.

 

[414Flyer]

I was going to take a 172 to Slovenia from FL October of last year, but it broke down enroute to maine. Never did get to finish the trip.

We were going to go Goose Bay - BIRK - Wick route, which should have been able to keep us in VHF comms, even a piston single, probably at at least 10,000 ft as mentioned. I have done St Johns - BIRK without HF, but other plane flying with me had it, so he just relayed my position reports for me. If one wants to go into places like Shannon, HF is mandatory since it is Shanwick Oceanic. I took a Warrior to Denmark last year, and brought a Cheyenne back from India before that. Didnt have HF for the Arabian sea, just kinda faked it

For going to Moscow, it might be possible to go east from BIRK (Reykjavik) to Norway, but HF will most definitely be needed.

I am not sure who is going to be tanking it, but have a reputable outfit tank, and inspect it. Globe Aero in Lakeland would be good for that. Because, you will be betting your life.

When I used to live and fly in Hawaii, there was a young hungry CFI who was going to take a Baron from Hilo to Cali. Lost an engine right after takeoff, crashed right back to the runway and died in a fiery crash.

If you end up doing it, you might consider when you leave for one of the oceanic legs, do it the same time as someone else, arrange a VHF freq to stay in contact with them. Maybe you can hang out in Gander, St Johns, or Goose Bay and wait on someone going across also to link up with.

 

[psysicx]

Wouldn't a Sat phone be a good idea for something like this? Ferrying sounds fun is it hard to make a living doing this?

 

[GravityHater]

you MJST report back when you return, we want to hear all the details!

 

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[part61]

YEp let us know what you decide! Even if you don't go. I don't think i'd take the trip, but than again i an instructor and we know how you feel about them. : )

Is this guy gonna give you a credit card to pay for expenses?

Would he be willing to do the trip with you?

I bet he would pay you more money if you asked cuz i think he'd have a hard tie findng someone else to do it.

 

[NW_Pilot]

YEp let us know what you decide! Even if you don't go. I don't think i'd take the trip, but than again i an instructor and we know how you feel about them. : )

No hard feelings about instructors! If you want flight instruction go to a flight instructor! If you want an aircraft delivered go to a ferry pilot! But to bed I go have to pack in the morning leaving for boston tomarrow night BYV to DVO thursday!

 

[600rvr]

I couldn't help to think that perhaps this Baron is an old Execstar bird. I don't know how long you've been down in South Fla but Execstar was notorious, and shut down for creative paper work. If these are 9055S, 619BE, 930BD or 525AF be VERY careful. Towards the end of the company unbelievable things were happening with aircraft logs and 100hrs etc, I can't even remember how many cracked cylinders occured. I also think all four had been "landed" gear up. Anyways, I hope none of these are the one.

 

[NW_Pilot]

I couldn't help to think that perhaps this Baron is an old Execstar bird. I don't know how long you've been down in South Fla but Execstar was notorious, and shut down for creative paper work. If these are 9055S, 619BE, 930BD or 525AF be VERY careful. Towards the end of the company unbelievable things were happening with aircraft logs and 100hrs etc, I can't even remember how many cracked cylinders occured. I also think all four had been "landed" gear up. Anyways, I hope none of these are the one.

Thanks for the info, I will keep them numbers in mind when I go and look at the bird in June. I know I am demanding it be gone through "basically an annual" + a little extra care on the power plants & fuel system the new owner agreed with me and for being Russian he seemed very well educated & had good English a slight but not to strong of an accent.

 

[bocefus]

Interesting that you are "demanding" basically an annual inspection. If you are exporting this aircraft to the CIS, or anywhere for that matter, an annual inspection is already a requirement, along with a DAR conformity inspection in order to receive an Export Airworthiness Certificate. Or did you not realize that you would have to do that?