Would you vote for Bush if..........

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

all the civilians guys are voting kerry. am i the only civilian guy that has a clue?? ..the farmboy

I assume that means your voting for Bush, so, no , you obviously don't have a clue!

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

So, who are you hiding behind during the war against terror to stay home and make fun of someone's spelling of morale? Funny how when the Dems manage to find a candidate who's actually been near a combat zone they're suddenly so selectively praising of military service. Hey VC10, what are you doing to thank the Americans putting their lives on the line for idiots like you? Nothing.... BTW, bashing them and their mission while endorsing Kerry 'cause you think he'll "bring them home" doesn't count. Get a clue dude.

Typical mentality. Maybe you should pay attention. We are all thankful to the troops. We are NOT thankful of the irresponsible actions of the administration who sent them there.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Are you suggesting that YOU are honest?

I don't believe that is the subject of debate here, but yes to answer your question.

 

[MsFan]

originally posted by VC10: "Let's see, liberated two countries. Well, actually, did you know that the Taliban is back in control of large swaths of Afghanistan? Do you know why? Because we left that job unfinished so we could turn our attention to Iraq---only Bush really understands why."

Hey VC10, have you been to Afghanistan? Have you personnally spent time on the ground there talking to the troops serving over there? Have you talked candidly with some of the senior officers running the show there? What's your source for your above quote? CNN? NY Times? Moveon.org?

Take it from someone who's been there more times than I can count. We're kicking the Taliban's collective a$$ over there. I flew the 3-star Army CINC running the ground war there back to the states a few months ago. He sat on the flight deck with us for about 9 hours and was quite open with us about the operation. Just because some terrorist a-holes shoot up a polling station or lob a rocket at a building full of civilians does not equate to "the Taliban controlling large swaths of Afghanistan." Support Kerry if you must but please don't insult those of us who routinely risk more than a paycheck over there by making poorly-informed claims to back up your political argument.

Don't believe everything you hear from Peter Jennings.

As for this furloughed airline pilot, activated Reservist, I'll take Bush any day.

 

[Papa3Charlie]

Hoya Saxa.....very well said!!

 

[freighterfreek]

Hoya Saxa.....very well said!!

yo alfred e.,

here's one to ponder. what are you going to do when you get out? where ya gonna go? is it worth it? this industry is pretty jacked up (i know you like lists, so here's one: over 2000 aircraft, over 160,000 workers, billions of dollars...nope, not the newest LCC, it's what the airlines have LOST since 9/11) we need help and some hope (we're not getting it, now).

i understand that you're living in a different reality, now. if you stay in, your opinions more than likely won't change. however, if you get out, you may have a different opinion after the "man" has stuck it to you (the awakening). keep an open mind.

otherwise, keep thumping your chest and stroking your "buds." two practices that are frowned upon in this world.

adios,

the freek

(oh yeah, this thread is out of control. some of the banter is interesting, but the reality is that a post on a message board isn't going to sway an opinion, especially, with a bunch of pilots. <enough said> we're brothers with vastly different backgrounds and opinions, but in the end we have to be united and preserve our trade, otherwise, what's the point. <don't ever fool yourself into thinking that we're any better or different than the guy bolting on bumpers at the Ford plant -- we're all labor.>)

--- that leap frogging the unicorn thing is pretty funny ---

 

[zonker]

Zonker- Guess you didn't mind all the Clinton military deployments. Don't worry you aren't the first liberal confused with facts!

I vote for the party that says, " U.S. first and Fu*k France" Cheers. Wil

"LIBERAL!"

Ouch...that stings.

Anyway, more power to you.



"This is the worst president ever. He is the worst president in all of American history."

-Helen Thomas

 

[hoya saxa]

i understand that you're living in a different reality, now. if you stay in, your opinions more than likely won't change. however, if you get out, you may have a different opinion after the "man" has stuck it to you (the awakening). keep an open mind.

otherwise, keep thumping your chest and stroking your "buds." two practices that are frowned upon in this world.

Have you happened to notice that many of the military folks on here ARE already out, or out and back in due to furloughs? Doesn't lend much credence to your theory that we all just don't understand the airline industry, now does it? YOU may be afflicted by short-sightedness, but most who have walked in both types of shoes have no trouble seeing the big picture. Sorry that all us chest-thumping bud-strokers intimidate you so much. You can always try the Stuart Smalley mantra to build up your self-confidence!

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

"This is the worst president ever. He is the worst president in all of American history."

-Helen Thomas

That was a horrible thing for Helen to say about Clinton, besides I thought they were best of friends.

 

[freighterfreek]

Have you happened to notice that many of the military folks on here ARE already out, or out and back in due to furloughs? Doesn't lend much credence to your theory that we all just don't understand the airline industry, now does it? YOU may be afflicted by short-sightedness, but most who have walked in both types of shoes have no trouble seeing the big picture. Sorry that all us chest-thumping bud-strokers intimidate you so much. You can always try the Stuart Smalley mantra to build up your self-confidence!

obviously, you don't understand the airline industry. so no need to waste anymore time on you.

i see you're in the pool at FedEx, it'll be interesting to see if you can shelf your ego when your on the panel. good luck.

by the way, I've got plenty of self-confidence and you definitely don't intimidate me. i really don't know where you got that?

AMF. the freek.

 

[hoya saxa]

obviously, you don't understand the airline industry. so no need to waste anymore time on you.

i see you're in the pool at FedEx, it'll be interesting to see if you can shelf your ego when your on the panel. good luck.

by the way, I've got plenty of self-confidence and you definitely don't intimidate me. i really don't know where you got that?

AMF. the freek.

Geez, touchy touchy! Don't touch the delicate froggy, his skin is too sensitive! Wah wah wah! Since you love stereotypes (you know, swaggering macho fighter pilots, etc) I guess you must be the leftist who just can't take a joke!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
Another reason to vote for Bush:

Judge Who Resigned Under Cloud Helps Run Homeland Security Anti-Terrorism Project

By Michael J. Sniffen and LESLIE MILLER Associated Press Writers

Published: Jul 29, 2004


WASHINGTON (AP) - A top manager of the Bush administration's troubled anti-terrorism project to use computers for screening airline passengers had resigned from the New Hampshire Supreme Court to avoid prosecution over his conduct on the bench.

W. Stephen Thayer III quit New Hampshire's high court in 2000 in a deal with prosecutors and is now serving as deputy chief of the Transportation Security Administration's Office of National Risk Assessment.

...

The administration's selection of Thayer - with no fanfare - has raised some eyebrows because he was accused of trying to interfere with the selection of a judge in his divorce case and of threatening other judges.

"To appoint someone who had to resign in public disgrace in lieu of being indicted is incredibly offensive," said Charles Lewis, executive director the Center for Public Integrity, a private ethics watchdog. CAPPS II has been "one of the most sensitive projects in the U.S. government," because "we are talking about data-mining the records of millions of Americans. The people in charge have got to be beyond reproach in every way."

....
Poor judgment!
PBR

 

[freighterfreek]

Geez, touchy touchy! Don't touch the delicate froggy, his skin is too sensitive! Wah wah wah! Since you love stereotypes (you know, swaggering macho fighter pilots, etc) I guess you must be the leftist who just can't take a joke!

yawn, i said "AMF." after you get to MEM and learn how to spell ALPA, look up the pro standards guy...you'll need him.

 

[80drvr]

Zonker- Guess you didn't mind all the Clinton military deployments. Don't worry you aren't the first liberal confused with facts!

I vote for the party that says, " U.S. first and Fu*k France" Cheers. Wil

Thanks to W my taxes are about a point lower, my income is 23% lower, my job security is in jeopardy, my pension will likely be decimated, and I'm approaching 2 years activated in a reserve stretched so thin they don't have a plan for continuity of operations as they demobilize their folks.

I'm a conservative at heart, but I don't see much of that ideology in this administration. I see an unabashed big business tilt at the expense of working and middle class America, fiscal insanity, a confused homeland security strategy with a complete neglect of immigration issues, and a fractured defense policy (tansformation, ooops...did we say that?).

I'm no Kerry apologist, but a lot of this chest thumping makes me ill. I think Bill Maher said it best when he described this election as being in a bar at 2AM when the lights come on. Bush and Kerry are the too fat girls and you have to go home with one of them. Kerry will take your money out of your wallet and Bush will take it our of your paycheck.

It's sad that this country can't do better than this. End of political rant...back to more entertaining mil vs. civ, lcc vs. legacy, mainline vs. regional, defined benefit vs. 401k.

 

[320AV8R]

Vote for Dubya.......No Way.

I think this explains it pretty well........
http://www.n3t.net/humor/Seriously.mpghttp://www.n3t.net/humor/Seriously.mpg

 

[Draginass]

Won't vote for either of 'em. I'll save the $2.20 a gallon (and rising) gasoline driving to the polls.

 

[N8Dogg]

I don't understand how some people can use the war in Iraq as criticism against Bush. Didn't Kerry help authorize it. Obviously he felt Saddam needed to go too. Should we have waited longer like we did in WWII. OK, so we haven't actually found WMD. We have found traces, and manufacturing facilities, not to mention the FACT that he has used them on the Kurds. That asside, he was a brutal dictator who wanted to conquer. The war has cost a lot of money, no argument there right, but prior to the war, containing him was costing us too. Not just in money, but in morale as well. Putting Saddam out of his misery gaves us all a morale boost. Hindsight sure makes criticism easy. Would Kerry have made all the right decisions.

Kerry is the guy who voted for the war right before he voted against it. I am not 100% behind Bush but when he says he is going to do something, he does it. I WILL BE VOTING FOR BUSH!!!

 

[vc10]

Kerry is the guy who voted for the war right before he voted against it. I am not 100% behind Bush but when he says he is going to do something, he does it.

Even when it's a huge mistake. Oh yeah, that's who I want in power...

 

[BobbyB]

Here is what I like about the Bush program for Terrorism. We as a country are in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where the terrorists live (Afghanistan) or are now flocking (the "haven" of Iraq) so that we have the opportunity to kill as many of them as we can. We can kill them in 1's and 2's, or by the house-load, or we can capture them and milk them for all the info we can. The Left-wing side seems to be sickened by the thought of having to go to places like these to kill terrorists. They hem and haw about timing and international community and the reasons that were given and how many troops and everything else they can think of, but please remember 9/11. The only things that will stop extreme islamic terrorism is for our country to become like the Taliban controlled Afghanistan or for us to kill all of them. We didn't ask for 9/11. They brought it to us. Iraq is a great place for a "haven" for terrorists. It is much better than lower Manhattan.

Brute force is the only way to stop terrorists. George W Bush is hell bent on doing that, and it is the only policy that will work. If you think that being better friends with France or Germany or Russia is going to get us more help in killing, think again. They want to help get the (illegal) oil money back that they lost since we booted Saddam.

Clinton dropped the ball in the 90's. The Republican house dropped the ball, the CIA dropped the ball. It is time to stop crying about it all and pointing fingers and get some work done. Isreal has proven that a strong offense keeps the terrorists so busy that they don't have a lot of room, or time, or freedom to go blowing up innocents. Back off, withdraw, and they will regroup and hit you again until they convert your nation. They want us all dead, Red or Blue.

 

[vc10]

This is a seriously dumb argument. Terrorists are made, not born. The US invasion of Iraq was the greatest recruiting tool Al Qaeda ever had. The invasion of Iraq has therefore created a huge number of Al Qaeda members and supporters.

Yes, many of them will die fighting the US in Iraq, just as many Mujahedin died fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan during the 1980s. But some will live and become hardened terrorists, just like Osama bin Laden (who, incidentally, the US created). Moreover, these guys will develop networks of supporters across the Muslim world. They'll use those networks to bring terror to everywhere they can.

Terrorism is created out of frustration and despair. When people believe they have no peaceful outlet for their aspirations, they turn to violence (which doesn't make it right, but that's what happens). It's no coincidence that most Muslim countries are oppressive dictatorships, where their citizens have few political (or human) rights. Such societies breed extremism. So we shouldn't be surprised if these countries are susceptible to terror.

Brute force won't stop terrorism. You'd figure the Israelis would understand that by now, but they don't. Repression is, in fact, the lifeblood of terrorism. There's only one way to stop terror in the long run, which is to ensure political and human rights. People in such societies rarely turn to terror, and when they do, they're typically isolated and have little support.

Which isn't to say we should throw down our arms. There are bad guys out there who want to get us now, today, and we need to take care of them. But at the same time we're defending ourselves, we need to make sure we're also removing the oxygen from terror movements. We need to aggressively support democracy and human rights everywhere, not because it's a liberal namby-pamby ideal, but because it will leave the world a safer place for our children and grandchildren. The less repression there is, the less terrorism will breed.

Here is what I like about the Bush program for Terrorism. We as a country are in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where the terrorists live (Afghanistan) or are now flocking (the "haven" of Iraq) so that we have the opportunity to kill as many of them as we can. We can kill them in 1's and 2's, or by the house-load, or we can capture them and milk them for all the info we can. The Left-wing side seems to be sickened by the thought of having to go to places like these to kill terrorists. They hem and haw about timing and international community and the reasons that were given and how many troops and everything else they can think of, but please remember 9/11. The only things that will stop extreme islamic terrorism is for our country to become like the Taliban controlled Afghanistan or for us to kill all of them. We didn't ask for 9/11. They brought it to us. Iraq is a great place for a "haven" for terrorists. It is much better than lower Manhattan.

Brute force is the only way to stop terrorists. George W Bush is hell bent on doing that, and it is the only policy that will work. If you think that being better friends with France or Germany or Russia is going to get us more help in killing, think again. They want to help get the (illegal) oil money back that they lost since we booted Saddam.

Clinton dropped the ball in the 90's. The Republican house dropped the ball, the CIA dropped the ball. It is time to stop crying about it all and pointing fingers and get some work done. Isreal has proven that a strong offense keeps the terrorists so busy that they don't have a lot of room, or time, or freedom to go blowing up innocents. Back off, withdraw, and they will regroup and hit you again until they convert your nation. They want us all dead, Red or Blue.