Would you vote for Bush if..........

[hoya saxa]

obviously, you don't understand the airline industry. so no need to waste anymore time on you.

i see you're in the pool at FedEx, it'll be interesting to see if you can shelf your ego when your on the panel. good luck.

by the way, I've got plenty of self-confidence and you definitely don't intimidate me. i really don't know where you got that?

AMF. the freek.

Geez, touchy touchy! Don't touch the delicate froggy, his skin is too sensitive! Wah wah wah! Since you love stereotypes (you know, swaggering macho fighter pilots, etc) I guess you must be the leftist who just can't take a joke!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
Another reason to vote for Bush:

Judge Who Resigned Under Cloud Helps Run Homeland Security Anti-Terrorism Project

By Michael J. Sniffen and LESLIE MILLER Associated Press Writers

Published: Jul 29, 2004


WASHINGTON (AP) - A top manager of the Bush administration's troubled anti-terrorism project to use computers for screening airline passengers had resigned from the New Hampshire Supreme Court to avoid prosecution over his conduct on the bench.

W. Stephen Thayer III quit New Hampshire's high court in 2000 in a deal with prosecutors and is now serving as deputy chief of the Transportation Security Administration's Office of National Risk Assessment.

...

The administration's selection of Thayer - with no fanfare - has raised some eyebrows because he was accused of trying to interfere with the selection of a judge in his divorce case and of threatening other judges.

"To appoint someone who had to resign in public disgrace in lieu of being indicted is incredibly offensive," said Charles Lewis, executive director the Center for Public Integrity, a private ethics watchdog. CAPPS II has been "one of the most sensitive projects in the U.S. government," because "we are talking about data-mining the records of millions of Americans. The people in charge have got to be beyond reproach in every way."

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Poor judgment!
PBR

 

[freighterfreek]

Geez, touchy touchy! Don't touch the delicate froggy, his skin is too sensitive! Wah wah wah! Since you love stereotypes (you know, swaggering macho fighter pilots, etc) I guess you must be the leftist who just can't take a joke!

yawn, i said "AMF." after you get to MEM and learn how to spell ALPA, look up the pro standards guy...you'll need him.

 

[80drvr]

Zonker- Guess you didn't mind all the Clinton military deployments. Don't worry you aren't the first liberal confused with facts!

I vote for the party that says, " U.S. first and Fu*k France" Cheers. Wil

Thanks to W my taxes are about a point lower, my income is 23% lower, my job security is in jeopardy, my pension will likely be decimated, and I'm approaching 2 years activated in a reserve stretched so thin they don't have a plan for continuity of operations as they demobilize their folks.

I'm a conservative at heart, but I don't see much of that ideology in this administration. I see an unabashed big business tilt at the expense of working and middle class America, fiscal insanity, a confused homeland security strategy with a complete neglect of immigration issues, and a fractured defense policy (tansformation, ooops...did we say that?).

I'm no Kerry apologist, but a lot of this chest thumping makes me ill. I think Bill Maher said it best when he described this election as being in a bar at 2AM when the lights come on. Bush and Kerry are the too fat girls and you have to go home with one of them. Kerry will take your money out of your wallet and Bush will take it our of your paycheck.

It's sad that this country can't do better than this. End of political rant...back to more entertaining mil vs. civ, lcc vs. legacy, mainline vs. regional, defined benefit vs. 401k.

 

[320AV8R]

Vote for Dubya.......No Way.

I think this explains it pretty well........
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[Draginass]

Won't vote for either of 'em. I'll save the $2.20 a gallon (and rising) gasoline driving to the polls.

 

[N8Dogg]

I don't understand how some people can use the war in Iraq as criticism against Bush. Didn't Kerry help authorize it. Obviously he felt Saddam needed to go too. Should we have waited longer like we did in WWII. OK, so we haven't actually found WMD. We have found traces, and manufacturing facilities, not to mention the FACT that he has used them on the Kurds. That asside, he was a brutal dictator who wanted to conquer. The war has cost a lot of money, no argument there right, but prior to the war, containing him was costing us too. Not just in money, but in morale as well. Putting Saddam out of his misery gaves us all a morale boost. Hindsight sure makes criticism easy. Would Kerry have made all the right decisions.

Kerry is the guy who voted for the war right before he voted against it. I am not 100% behind Bush but when he says he is going to do something, he does it. I WILL BE VOTING FOR BUSH!!!

 

[vc10]

Kerry is the guy who voted for the war right before he voted against it. I am not 100% behind Bush but when he says he is going to do something, he does it.

Even when it's a huge mistake. Oh yeah, that's who I want in power...

 

[BobbyB]

Here is what I like about the Bush program for Terrorism. We as a country are in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where the terrorists live (Afghanistan) or are now flocking (the "haven" of Iraq) so that we have the opportunity to kill as many of them as we can. We can kill them in 1's and 2's, or by the house-load, or we can capture them and milk them for all the info we can. The Left-wing side seems to be sickened by the thought of having to go to places like these to kill terrorists. They hem and haw about timing and international community and the reasons that were given and how many troops and everything else they can think of, but please remember 9/11. The only things that will stop extreme islamic terrorism is for our country to become like the Taliban controlled Afghanistan or for us to kill all of them. We didn't ask for 9/11. They brought it to us. Iraq is a great place for a "haven" for terrorists. It is much better than lower Manhattan.

Brute force is the only way to stop terrorists. George W Bush is hell bent on doing that, and it is the only policy that will work. If you think that being better friends with France or Germany or Russia is going to get us more help in killing, think again. They want to help get the (illegal) oil money back that they lost since we booted Saddam.

Clinton dropped the ball in the 90's. The Republican house dropped the ball, the CIA dropped the ball. It is time to stop crying about it all and pointing fingers and get some work done. Isreal has proven that a strong offense keeps the terrorists so busy that they don't have a lot of room, or time, or freedom to go blowing up innocents. Back off, withdraw, and they will regroup and hit you again until they convert your nation. They want us all dead, Red or Blue.

 

[vc10]

This is a seriously dumb argument. Terrorists are made, not born. The US invasion of Iraq was the greatest recruiting tool Al Qaeda ever had. The invasion of Iraq has therefore created a huge number of Al Qaeda members and supporters.

Yes, many of them will die fighting the US in Iraq, just as many Mujahedin died fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan during the 1980s. But some will live and become hardened terrorists, just like Osama bin Laden (who, incidentally, the US created). Moreover, these guys will develop networks of supporters across the Muslim world. They'll use those networks to bring terror to everywhere they can.

Terrorism is created out of frustration and despair. When people believe they have no peaceful outlet for their aspirations, they turn to violence (which doesn't make it right, but that's what happens). It's no coincidence that most Muslim countries are oppressive dictatorships, where their citizens have few political (or human) rights. Such societies breed extremism. So we shouldn't be surprised if these countries are susceptible to terror.

Brute force won't stop terrorism. You'd figure the Israelis would understand that by now, but they don't. Repression is, in fact, the lifeblood of terrorism. There's only one way to stop terror in the long run, which is to ensure political and human rights. People in such societies rarely turn to terror, and when they do, they're typically isolated and have little support.

Which isn't to say we should throw down our arms. There are bad guys out there who want to get us now, today, and we need to take care of them. But at the same time we're defending ourselves, we need to make sure we're also removing the oxygen from terror movements. We need to aggressively support democracy and human rights everywhere, not because it's a liberal namby-pamby ideal, but because it will leave the world a safer place for our children and grandchildren. The less repression there is, the less terrorism will breed.

Here is what I like about the Bush program for Terrorism. We as a country are in places like Afghanistan and Iraq where the terrorists live (Afghanistan) or are now flocking (the "haven" of Iraq) so that we have the opportunity to kill as many of them as we can. We can kill them in 1's and 2's, or by the house-load, or we can capture them and milk them for all the info we can. The Left-wing side seems to be sickened by the thought of having to go to places like these to kill terrorists. They hem and haw about timing and international community and the reasons that were given and how many troops and everything else they can think of, but please remember 9/11. The only things that will stop extreme islamic terrorism is for our country to become like the Taliban controlled Afghanistan or for us to kill all of them. We didn't ask for 9/11. They brought it to us. Iraq is a great place for a "haven" for terrorists. It is much better than lower Manhattan.

Brute force is the only way to stop terrorists. George W Bush is hell bent on doing that, and it is the only policy that will work. If you think that being better friends with France or Germany or Russia is going to get us more help in killing, think again. They want to help get the (illegal) oil money back that they lost since we booted Saddam.

Clinton dropped the ball in the 90's. The Republican house dropped the ball, the CIA dropped the ball. It is time to stop crying about it all and pointing fingers and get some work done. Isreal has proven that a strong offense keeps the terrorists so busy that they don't have a lot of room, or time, or freedom to go blowing up innocents. Back off, withdraw, and they will regroup and hit you again until they convert your nation. They want us all dead, Red or Blue.

 

[thruthemurk]

VC-10


Excellent post that relects the reality of the terrorist problem. We can flex our muscles as long as we like, and kill thousands and thousands of them - but the problem will not go away until the root cause is eliminated.

Israel has been fighting this problem for over 30 years, and has not been shy about clamping down on their relatively small borders and the individual "rights" of their citizens. They have not been successful, and that is the best precursor as to what to expect.

The only thing I might add is that the the original best recruiting tool for the Al Queda was building our airbase in Saudi. Like it or not, this has been the event that motivated countless recruits to believe the rhetoric that the "evil west" was controlling the Saudi royal family and spurred them to action. You can follow the number of terrorist attacts and their organizational growth like clockwork after this event

Murk

 

[BobbyB]

VC, While I do agree with some elements of your point of view, the problem is that freedom is THE problem that the current batch of extremists hate. They don't want you to have the freedom to not have a beard, or your woman to not be covered up, and you certainly couldn't have the freedom to be Jewish. They will not be happy unless they are free of the infidel. The Palestinians won't stop attacking Isreal if they had their own state, either. Their motivation is not peace with Isreal, it is peace WITHOUT Isreal.
I too believe that freedom and democracy will create a better world, and that is what is taking place in Iraq. It will take time. A free society will be able to eventually kill or capture and incarcerate religious extremists that will die to ensure that we don't enjoy our freedom to disagree with them. It is foolish to think that the oppression of the Taliban, or the Saudi royal family, or Saddam "created" these terrorists. Their perversion of their religion makes them want to convert us or kill us. Those are their only two choices. We would be foolish to think that they are fighting for freedom to practice their religion. They are, in a way, but only WITHOUT Isreal existing, and without anyone else who is not an extremist Muslim. You and Truth are correct in that you can't kill these guys out of business, but the previous 10 years of US policy also proves that you can't arrest and bring to justice in court of law the problem away either. I think that the US is safer now that we have our soldiers and Marines on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan, than if we had never done anything and the terrorists could still roam around will less scrutiny and fear than they now have.