Would You Go to Midwest Airlines? MidEx

[Chuck Yogourt]

KC and VALUE JET. What comparison is this GAY BOY? Shut the hell up and get a life. The question of this thread is, Would you work for Midwest? If it comes down between KC and Value Jet, I'd take KC any day. MORON. Now get back to class.

 

[Yank McCobb]

That's right, you guys can come and pick up the remnants just like you were suppose to do with ATA airlines in MDW.

Actually, us "guys" did just that. SWA was the one that came in and provided financial, operational and other support to ATA in MDW.

Any other brilliant observations you would care to make?

 

[Ty Webb]

Here's one more for ya-

A Midex Capt wouldn't be so preoccupied with homosexuals. . . . you've got some issues, Chuckie Boy.

Better run that browser washer. Hate for your mom to come home from work and see you've been running your potty mouth on the 'puter again AND wearing your sister's underwear.

 

[73-Driver]

Actually, us "guys" did just that. SWA was the one that came in and provided financial, operational and other support to ATA in MDW.

Any other brilliant observations you would care to make?

I could of sworn that SWA handed you guys a one way ticket back to ATL, maybe I'm wrong!?

 

[Yank McCobb]

KC and VALUE JET. What comparison is this GAY BOY? Shut the hell up and get a life. The question of this thread is, Would you work for Midwest? If it comes down between KC and Value Jet, I'd take KC any day. MORON. Now get back to class.

Based on Ty's last comment and this one, I'd say he has you there, Chuckie.

I'd go back to the drawing board and either come up with some tangible facts regarding contract and financial comparisons or at least some fresh schtick. This attempt is pretty lame. Lets see, a "gay" reference and a "value jet" reference. Two of the weakest, most overused insults on flightinfo.

Heck, even real 15 yr old school kids do better than that.

You ARE making all MidEx pilots look bad with your personal agenda against Ty. I would fall back, regroup and come up with something that doesn't make you look like a complete jacka$$.

 

[Yank McCobb]

I could of sworn that SWA handed you guys a one way ticket back to ATL, maybe I'm wrong!?

I AM SWA. I thought my last post made that clear. Are you just not paying attention or are you just dense?

BTW...it's "could HAVE" ( as in "I could have sworn") not "could of". They should have taught you that in grade school.

 

[73-Driver]

I AM SWA. I thought my last post made that clear. Are you just not paying attention or are you just dense?

BTW...it's "could HAVE" ( as in "I could have sworn") not "could of". They should have taught you that in grade school.

Sorry Yank,

I thought you were from AirTran, not that I have anything against them. Most of us thought that the deal Southwest was offering was much better than what AirTran had on the table.

Can we go easy on the spelling lessons? Writing "could of sworn" is still shorter than writing "could have sworn". Last I checked "BTW" was not in the english dictionary, it should be " by the way". That was just a bad joke.

 

[UM#1]

I have a feeling that before it's over, the ATA guys will certainly have wished that our management had picked up the remnants instead of SWA . . . . I'd be willing to bet that since SWA made the big play for ATA assets, we have hired more ATA guys than SWA has, even though SWA was supposedly the "savior" and we were the "vultures".

Any real ATA guys care to comment on the hiring situation for ATA guys at FL and LUV?

Ty,
As a former ATA guy (left in april 05) you are just about right on. The Southwest deal may have kept the doors open longer at ATA as it was more of a code share than the Airtran deal was, but as far as the pilots are concerned those Southwest Preferential interviews turned out to be a bum deal. I was not interviewed as I resigned before effective furlough date but for those that did interview (about 70-80 roughly), less than 10 got hired. Airtran has done a great job of hiring many of ATA's pilots and Continental also has done a good job of picking up ATA guys. You got some good guys over there and I know they are happy to be there..

 

[stillflyn]

It's funny how this industry works.

In 1998 you wouldn't believe how many people berated me for my decision to go to AirTran. If I had returned after the furlough, look how senior i'd be there today.

In 2000/2001 look how many people took a leap of faith on a little airline called "Jetblue" that was starting from scratch.

How about the folks who went to work for Morris Air (and who today are very senior at Southwest?)

How about the people who took a chance on a man named Fred Smith and his old Falcons flying air-freight. (FedEx)

The fact is YOU DONT KNOW what the future will bring. You're going to have to make the right decision FOR YOU... and hope for the best.

Go with your gut and good luck!

In 2000/2001 there were a "few" pilots who took a leap of faith..... but lets be honest. Mostly they couldn't get a job anywhere else worth going to. I've flown with some guys who tried to tell me that they turned down United, Delta, NorthWest to take a job making $70hr as a capt on a 320 in 2000. They "Knew that the jobs were going to shift from the Majors to the LCC". I'll call bull$h!t everytime. Don't fool yourself. They couldn't get hired anywhere else. Everyone has their own story and I'm not trying to lump all guys into this.... just most of them!

Stillflyn

 

[Yank McCobb]

Can we go easy on the spelling lessons? Writing "could of sworn" is still shorter than writing "could have sworn". Last I checked "BTW" was not in the english dictionary, it should be " by the way". That was just a bad joke.

Yes, we can. And you are right about the "BTW". I also have the ability to give credit when someone is right.

Oh, and "BTW", there is no such thing as a bad joke. It's just that some people don't always get it.

Take care...

 

[meatwallet]

How many regionals are actually marketed as their business name besides eagle??-

What the hell is Astral Aviation anyway?

 

[-9Capt]

Shut the hell up and get a life.

You sound desperate there Chuckie.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

I agree with you and Ty on 1 of 2 points...

Ty,
As a former ATA guy (left in april 05) you are just about right on. The Southwest deal may have kept the doors open longer at ATA as it was more of a code share than the Airtran deal was, but as far as the pilots are concerned those Southwest Preferential interviews turned out to be a bum deal. I was not interviewed as I resigned before effective furlough date but for those that did interview (about 70-80 roughly), less than 10 got hired. Airtran has done a great job of hiring many of ATA's pilots and Continental also has done a good job of picking up ATA guys. You got some good guys over there and I know they are happy to be there..

I agree that the as far as hiring, it appears more have gained employment with FL than with WN. It seems to be a more rigid hiring process at SWA over the past year. I wish more ATA pilots could have been hired at SWA!

However, as far as the business aspect, FL would have chopped up the parts much quicker than SWA. Ty, in previous posts you seem to flippedly say how you'd just want the parts, etc., even about Midwest, or am I misunderstanding you?


I have been hopeful for the ATA folks that SWA would see the value in the international code share and fly Europe/MidEast to BWI and feed their system and ETOPS to Hawaii. I beleive there is still a lot of value for SWA in ATA.


TWA offered value to AMR with STL as an auxilary hub and the STL profit center. 9/11 change all that. I just hope that Katrina doesn't turn into a 9/11 for many other carriers like ATA.


I wouldn't be surprised to see Big G limit the fuel supply to the airlines like they did in 1973. 1973 it was a 20% reduction for all airlines.


Good luck to all and play nice!

 

[Ty Webb]

I agree that the as far as hiring, it appears more have gained employment with FL than with WN. It seems to be a more rigid hiring process at SWA over the past year. I wish more ATA pilots could have been hired at SWA!

Ty, in previous posts you seem to flippedly say how you'd just want the parts, etc., even about Midwest, or am I misunderstanding you?

I am not a believer in "the parts" . . . believe it or not, I think that if you are buying airframes, you can take the people that came with those airframes, but with big enough fences to make it a moot point. Buying assets and stapling offends my basic sense of fairness. I know, that is just the airlines, but if I wanted to be a pr!ck, I would've went to law school.

I have been hopeful for the ATA folks that SWA would see the value in the international code share and fly Europe/MidEast to BWI and feed their system and ETOPS to Hawaii. I beleive there is still a lot of value for SWA in ATA.

Sure, there is value there, no one would argue against that, BUT I think that it is ancillary to blocking us at MDW.

I am very happy we are hiring a lot of ATA guys. I knew we would, although a few ATA guys were on this board, saying how pissed they were that we didn't roll out the red carpet . . . a few of them also called SG a "low-level flunky" which showed how much they bothered to learn about our company.

What did they think, that Joe Leonard should have come to them and handed them the applications and number 2 pencils?

Those same guys were also certain that SWA was going to swoop them up and put them on line. MY point was simply that those guys were wrong. Our company has done a good job of interviewing and hiring ATA pilots, just as I knew they would.


Welcome aboard, guys!

 

[Donsa320]

What the hell is Astral Aviation anyway?

That is the legal entitiy that operates as Skyway/dba Midwest Connect.

~DC

 

[crashpad]

Go to Midwest
it's a Wisconsin tradition.
Embrace the right seat
since there is no attrition.

Sweet talk the stews,
the long winter sucks.
Yes, they drink Blatz
and fart like ducks.

A small price to pay
for the Best sCare In The Air.
Once you're on board,
on your nads you'll grow hair.

(sing with me to the tune of 'Roll Out The Barrels')

Roll out the pilots, rolls out the pilots from here.
Roll out out the pilots, we are all out of free beer.
Next time you come here,
please leave your wife back at home.
This is Wisconsin,
Not where the buffalo roam!

 

[devine9driver]

Not to throw gas on the fire here, but Chuck, Ty and especially Crashpad (you need to get out more son), you can call Midwest many things like somebody said ex toilet paper airline, or Wisconsin tradition as Crashpad said in his stunning song, I'm sure it'll go triple platinum. But remember one little tiny thing, many ex-Eastern airline pilot's already know, you work for one of the largest Lorenzo cronnies in FORKLIFT JOE LEONARD, your time of labor rift and give backs will be upon you soon enough, not that I hope it ever does. So enjoy life while it's good. And I do not work for Midwest!


Double check your engine bolts boys and girls.

 

[Yank McCobb]

Not to throw gas on the fire here, but Chuck, Ty and especially Crashpad (you need to get out more son), you can call Midwest many things like somebody said ex toilet paper airline, or Wisconsin tradition as Crashpad said in his stunning song, I'm sure it'll go triple platinum. But remember one little tiny thing, many ex-Eastern airline pilot's already know, you work for one of the largest Lorenzo cronnies in FORKLIFT JOE LEONARD, your time of labor rift and give backs will be upon you soon enough, not that I hope it ever does. So enjoy life while it's good. And I do not work for Midwest!


Double check your engine bolts boys and girls.

First you call out others, point the finger at them, then do the same lame thing with an old, weak and well-worn argument. "Double check your engine bolts". Hey that's almost mildly amusing. But it is most definitely as childish as you acuse the others as being. So, I guess you need get out more, too.

FYI, of the 3 pilots you mentioned in your post...one flies for Air Tran, one for MidEx and one for Frontier. So, I guess your venom was directed only at Ty. Why bring the others into it? Or maybe in addition to being lame, you are not too bright. Yea, I guess that's it.

 

[Ty Webb]

Don't lay awake at night worrying about Joe. He is getting very close to retirement, and is doing very well with his stock options . . . . as he should. You can say what you want about him, but the turnaround he accomplished here was textbook. Look at the balance sheet, look at the fleet, look at the numbers . . . .

Or live in the past. Change, or die.

 

[crashpad]

Wisconsin tradition as Crashpad said in his stunning song, I'm sure it'll go triple platinum.

Thank you, Thank very mush!!!

 

[devine9driver]

First I will apologize to Chuckie, I did not mean to include your name, Delete Chuck and insert Yank.

Second Ty, are you ever going to get over the fact the Midwest turned you down. You know it's not the pilots on this board's fault that you didn't get hired.

Third Yank, I seem to have touched on a sore point for you. MR. JOE LEONARD. Do you have a picture of him on your mousepad? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say based on your aircraft experience and time that maybe you were an ex-Eastern crosser. I hope that I am wrong. I work with 2 gentleman that were ex-Eastern non crosser's that would love your address if right.

Fourth, let's stop the feud between Midwest and Airtran pilots, my god it's starting to consume way too much of this board.

Have a nice day!!

 

[Yank McCobb]

Nope. Not ex-Eastern. I could care less about Joe Leonard. I only point out the errors in you post. But I guess you can only dish it out, which is typical of your kind.

I would be happy to give my address to any of your thug friends. I have plenty of persuasion waiting. If you are going to make threats, you best be DAM sure who you are talking to. How about YOU? Do YOU want my address? I'd be happy to give it to you and pray that you have the guts to show up.

I have worked for SWA for the past 28 years, if you must know.

 

[Cat3C]

This might be the most entertaining series of posts as of late - well other than that flight school at PWK stuff.


Definitely a good 6 pack or so....

 

[devine9driver]

Yank glad to here your not! And yes I can take it, the whole point of me joining this thread was because I am sick of the F cking Bitching that is going on with this website. Everyone used to be helpful. You can see by my number of posts that I don't join to many conversations, not many left worth reading this one just touched a nerve with the constant bashing. And look it sucked me right in. The original question was totally lost when un-mentioned names began to banter. The question was would you go to Midwest? Sorry original poster I don't have an answer for you. And Yank I'll call off my thugs.

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

[Second Ty, are you ever going to get over the fact the Midwest turned you down. You know it's not the pilots on this board's fault that you didn't get hired.]

Maybe Ty boy should change his panties.

 

[Ty Webb]

Second Ty, are you ever going to get over the fact the Midwest turned you down. You know it's not the pilots on this board's fault that you didn't get hired.

Are you serious? I should send them a "Thank You" card, and name my next daughter Lori Shafranski Hoeksema Webb. Not hiring me was a stroke of luck.

Hell, I'm a Captain here, if I were there, I would just be coming back from furlough . . . or not!

 

[fam62c]

Isn't this nice.

Well, here goes another thread degrading into worthless, childish bickering.

 

[crashpad]

....name my next daughter Lori Shafranski Hoeksema Webb.

NOW, THAT'S FUNNY!!! Great inside humor.