Would you fly Mesa ?

[StarChecker]

Would you fly Colgan? After some of the stuff I've read/heard....no thanks. Nothing against their pilots....just sounds like some shady MX stuff.

 

[Beantown]

Screw Roanoke. How about CLT? It's the corner cutting that made MESA subcontract out for cheaper MX. Which directly lead to 21 peoples' death.

-Alaskas in house MX helped cause the death of 120+ people so you shouldn't fly them
-Southwest might give you a free ride to the nearest gas station so you shouldn't fly them.
-Coex seems to have problems staying on the runway so stay away from them.
-Eagle pilots are trying to get credit for more then one landings on each arrival so there out.
-American has no problem pushing the 16 hr rule and then testing there superior flying skills landing in level 5 T.S, can't fly them.
-US Airways and United fly 737's and those planes seem to like to fly upside down when close to the ground, buy buy.
-Colgans in house MX can't follow the manuals, out.

I think you get the picture. -Bean

 

[Checknsix]

I don't trust Mesa for three reasons: 1) they put one of my old airlines out of business ( Westair ), 2) Roanoke, and 3) they have a horrible reputation for lack of on time arrivals and numerous flight cancellations.

TP

Typhoonpilot,

Better put COEX on that list of yours. I believe they had three instructors in the cockpit of that jet they totaled in Houston. And then American had a RCP sitting in the seat for the one in Little Rock. Somebody already mentioned SWA in Burbank and Eagle in PR. That's four more airlines you shouldn't fly. Out of all of these incidents, the only hull that is still flying is the Roanoke ERJ at Mesa. By the way, what was the name of your airline again??? No skeletons there I assume.

Also, in defense of Mesa's ability to maintain a flight schedule, you need to remember that for the most part, they do not own/operate the gate/ramp crews. Their partners do. The vast majority of delays go to weather, and delays due to ground ops. Now throw in a couple of bankrupt partners that are trying to operate their ground crews on a dime, and Mesa doesn't get much of a break.

Who do you work for again?

- Checknsix

 

[scabseeker]

Understand your plates!!!!

2) Roanoke. Largely the result of a primacy of learning/negative transference on the Captain's part, coupled with a not-assertive-enough FO. (Remember, Captain went straight from BE1900 right seat to ERJ left seat.) In other words, pilot error, compounded by a company that was expanding exponentially. How many more "prestigious" regionals, not to mention Majors, have had pilot error accidents in the last decade? I also don't believe that Mesa is growing at a rate right now causing upgrades from 1900 right seat to ERJ or CRJ left seat.

The main problem wasn't with flying the airplane. The problem was reading that night departures weren't authorized off 33 and then thinking that meant no going around. I thought we learned about going around in Private Pilot school and reading approach plates in Instrument class. How does that have anything to do with changing seats and airplanes?

Who the frick reads "no night departures" and thinks...well looks like were landing no matter what!!?? Wait, I know one person.

 

[aewanabe]

Granted, while "go-around isn't an option" will live in infamy, that's not what actually CAUSED the accident. My reference was to the captain being 1/2 dot high and plus 10 knots at 300 AGL and responding by going to flight idle and removing her hands from the thrust levers.

 

[bobbysamd]

Mesa

One of the legs on the return would have to be on Mesa . . . . If you were buying a ticket, would you choose to ride on Mesa ?

I rode on Mesa a couple of times in 1992 in Florida when it was FloridaGulf, non-revved for my MAPD interview in 1993 and again as a Mesa employee later in 1993. Of course, that was years ago. While I do not care especially for the company as an employer, all my trips were fine; on one trip, to Farmington from Denver, my baggage beat me to the airport! I appreciate your point about Roanoke.

I don't trust Mesa for three reasons: 1) they put one of my old airlines out of business ( Westair )

WestAir/United Express was my first regional interview in August of 1991, right after Saddam invaded Kuwait. I believe that Mesa had already purchased WestAir by that time.

 

[generaltso]

thanks for telling us you rode Mesa over 10 years ago. I am sure nothing has changed since then. serious bobby i sometimes wonder if you post just to increase your total. You need to either get back in to aviation, or stop the 10 year flashbacks that really don't add anything relevant

 

[Flyingdutchman]

screw that bobby!

Sir,

I appreciate your presence at this forum and your postings are most valuable.

Friendly regards,
FD

 

[typhoonpilot]

Fly Delta through ATL (a beautiful hub with no delays, ever),

General, did you forget the symbol in that post, or should it have been a ?

Better put COEX on that list of yours. I believe they had three instructors in the cockpit of that jet they totaled in Houston. And then American had a RCP sitting in the seat for the one in Little Rock. Somebody already mentioned SWA in Burbank and Eagle in PR. That's four more airlines you shouldn't fly. Out of all of these incidents, the only hull that is still flying is the Roanoke ERJ at Mesa. By the way, what was the name of your airline again??? No skeletons there I assume.

Actually you seem to be missing the plot here. I mentioned three reasons for initially have a very bad reaction to the thought of flying on Mesa. Only one of them was safety. Obvioulsy almost all airlines have had accidents or incidents that they aren't proud of or that caused some fatalities. Those in themselves are usually not a good enough reason to put the airline on a no-fly list. Only in extreme circumstances like the third world airlines in Africa and other regions would you really do that. When you start adding additional factors like numerous flight cancellations or severe delays then it is prudent to ask the question that I have. I don't know what Mesa's recent reputation is in that department. It was very bad a few years ago. In fact it was so bad at one point that United cancelled their feeder contract with them. How is it today ? I think aewanabe and beantown might have already answered. Before someone says to check the DOT statistics, remember that cancellations don't show in on time performance ratings.

Typhoonpilot

 

[bobbysamd]

Define "relevant" . . . .

thanks for telling us you rode Mesa over 10 years ago. I am sure nothing has changed since then. serious bobby i sometimes wonder if you post just to increase your total. You need to either get back in to aviation, or stop the 10 year flashbacks that really don't add anything relevant

Gosh, I thought you were my friend . . . . I never thought I'd catch a flame from you. Not that it matters to me what you think. And, what purpose does it serve for me to increase my post total?

One thing I've found from reading this board over the past three years is not much has changed in professional aviation, especially regarding training, career-building, instructing and safety. Not to mention the myriad of personalities one encounters among aviation. And, in those three years, except, perhaps, for regionals doing more mainline flying and a far greater emphasis on security, not a whole lot more has changed. So, once more, define "relevant."

Finally, no one is forcing you to read my posts. But I do appreciate your time to read them.

 

[stb]

I know of three...

FAA 121 inspectors that wont fly Mesa unless they are riding in the jumpseat.
Every airline has "those" pilots but with the high turnover rate at Mesa, experience is short lived.

The next day is one day closer to EVERY airline's next incident or accident.

 

[Checknsix]

Typhoonpilot,

I'm missing the plot??? Oh, I think I have the plot down. You are simply mesa-bashing because you have a personal vendetta with Mesa regarding the Westair deal.

You attack part of my argument, even though you brought up the point.

You stated your position on why you don't want to fly Mesa regarding schedule performance, and then post the question ("I don't know what Mesa's recent reputation is in that department.")

The plot is, you are stating your position that you hate Mesa and trolling for others that think like you. Next time start your thread out like this so the new people here don't have to read through the BS:

"Mesa screwed me over when I was at Westair and I want to whine about it."

- Checknsix

I don't trust Mesa for three reasons: 1) they put one of my old airlines out of business ( Westair ), 2) Roanoke, and 3) they have a horrible reputation for lack of on time arrivals and numerous flight cancellations.
Typhoonpilot

Actually you seem to be missing the plot here. I mentioned three reasons for initially have a very bad reaction to the thought of flying on Mesa. Only one of them was safety. Obvioulsy almost all airlines have had accidents or incidents that they aren't proud of or that caused some fatalities. Those in themselves are usually not a good enough reason to put the airline on a no-fly list.

When you start adding additional factors like numerous flight cancellations or severe delays then it is prudent to ask the question that I have. I don't know what Mesa's recent reputation is in that department. It was very bad a few years ago. In fact it was so bad at one point that United cancelled their feeder contract with them. How is it today ?

I don't trust Mesa for three reasons: 1) they put one of my old airlines out of business ( Westair ), 2) Roanoke, and 3) they have a horrible reputation for lack of on time arrivals and numerous flight cancellations.

Typhoonpilot

 

[typhoonpilot]

Typhoonpilot,

I'm missing the plot??? Oh, I think I have the plot down. You are simply mesa-bashing because you have a personal vendetta with Mesa regarding the Westair deal.

You attack part of my argument, even though you brought up the point.

You stated your position on why you don't want to fly Mesa regarding schedule performance, and then post the question ("I don't know what Mesa's recent reputation is in that department.")

The plot is, you are stating your position that you hate Mesa and trolling for others that think like you. Next time start your thread out like this so the new people here don't have to read through the BS:

"Mesa screwed me over when I was at Westair and I want to whine about it."

- Checknsix

Yep, definitely missing the plot. I was long gone from Westair before Mesa ever bought them. Unlike most pilots I actually care about my fellow employees. Seeing what Mesa Management did to them was sickening. This thread wasn't started to be a Mesa bashing thread. Sorry that your skin is so thin as to think so. What Mesa did to my friends at WestAir doesn't reflect on the current Mesa pilots so don't take it personally.

After mulling over my thoughts and seeing the responses here on this forum I have decided that it wouldn't right to buy a ticket that included riding on Mesa.

Have a nice day

Typhoonpilot

 

[murfdawg998]

Whoever started this thread, how about ponying up the dough and chartering an aircraft?!

 

[bogberto]

Typhoon:

Pilot staffing in PHX is up to speed now, so the odds of your leg being cancelled are pretty slim. You'll have just as much risk getting cancelled / delayed by mainline HP at this point, which (same as any other airilne) is a roll of the dice. In the last 4 weeks, I've had 4 mainline DHs that were late through no fault of theirs. WX has been wreaking havoc out here lately.

You mentioned that your wife is pregnant, so imagine how she'll feel being cramped into an RJ for 1-2 hours. I've DH'd enough on my own to know I hate the ride unless the flight is 50% full. Get a nice comfy seat on a narrow body and you'll both be much happier.

-B