WOs to get US Airways CRJ705 flying?

[vc10]

Anyone have any info on this rumor? Anyone want to crush this rumor?

 

[boeingdriver213]

The crj705s are not going anywhere, cause the don't meet mainline ALPA's criteria of an rj certified with 76 seats. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 705 is a 900 with first class seating and 76 seats total. U tried to get those aircraft on the property against the agreement made with ALPA. ALPA saw thru U's scheme and said 700s or nuthin', which so far is what they have, nuthin'. Getting 700s are no problem as long as they are actually 700s. 705s are 900s with fewer seats.

 

[BTDII]

I asked a local Capt. rep this yesterday, and his answer was that there are no official negotiations dealing with the CRJ 705 that he is involved in.

There are others that post here though that may be able to shed a little more light on this issue.

 

[BTDII]

The crj705s are not going anywhere, cause the don't meet mainline ALPA's criteria of an rj certified with 76 seats. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 705 is a 900 with first class seating and 76 seats total. U tried to get those aircraft on the property against the agreement made with ALPA. ALPA saw thru U's scheme and said 700s or nuthin', which so far is what they have, nuthin'. Getting 700s are no problem as long as they are actually 700s. 705s are 900s with fewer seats.

According to Bombardier:

CRJ700 Series 701/705

The Bombardier CRJ700Series 701 cabin provides comfortable four-abreast or dual class with 3 abreast business class seating for 64 to 70 passengers and the Series 705 cabin provides comfortable dual class with 3 abreast business class seating for 75 passengers. Relative to the Bombardier CRJ200 , the windows in the Bombardier CRJ700 Series have been raised four inches (10.16 cm) to add more natural lighting. By lowering the floor by one inch (2.5 cm) the Bombardier CRJ700 Series gives passengers more head and shoulder room than any other competitive aircraft on the market today

CRJ900

The basic aircraft has an 86-seat interior with two-by-two seating at 31-inch (78.7 cm) pitch and standard fore and aft lavatories. In addition, airlines will have a wide range of interior layout options available to them, including mixed seat-pitch and two-class interiors.

Weights
Maximum takeoff weight (CRJ900) 80,500 lb
Maximum takeoff weight (CRJ900 ER) 82,500 lb
Maximum takeoff weight (CRJ900 LR) 84,500 lb
Maximum landing weight 73,500 lb
Maximum zero fuel weight 70,000 lb
Maximum ramp weight (CRJ900) 80,750 lb
Maximum ramp weight (CRJ900 ER) 82,750 lb
Maximum ramp weight (CRJ900 LR) 84,750 lb
Operating weight empty 47,500 lb
Maximum fuel load 19,450 lb
Maximum payload 22,500 lb
Payload with full fuel (CRJ900) 14,200 lb
Payload with full fuel (CRJ900 ER) 15,800 lb
Payload with full fuel (CRJ900 LR) 17,800 lb




Specifications 3 / 4


Weights (Series 701)
Maximum ramp weight (Series 701) 73,000 lb
Maximum ramp weight (Series 701 ER) 75,250 lb
Maximum takeoff weight (Series 701) 72,750 lb
Maximum takeoff weight (Series 701 ER) 75,000 lb
Maximum landing weight 67,000 lb
Maximum zero fuel weight 62,300 lb
Operating weight empty 43,500 lb
Maximum fuel load 19,450 lb
Maximum payload 18,800 lb
Payload with full fuel (Series 701) 10,050 lb
Payload with full fuel (Series 701 ER) 12,300 lb

Weights (Series 705)
Maximum takeoff weight (Series 705) 79,500 lb
Maximum takeoff weight (Series 705 ER) 82,500 lb
Maximum landing weight 73,500 lb
Maximum zero fuel weight 70,000 lb
Maximum ramp weight (Series 705) 79,750 lb
Maximum ramp weight (Series 705 ER) 82,750 lb
Operating weight empty 47,100 lb
Maximum fuel load 19,450 lb
Maximum payload 22,900 lb
Payload with full fuel (Series 705) 13,200 lb
Payload with full fuel (Series 705 ER) 16,200 lb

The scope problem was the weight of the 705ER.

The 900 was made and ceritfied using the 705.

All three types can have dual class configuration.

 

[LearLove]

Sure they'll go to the WO, once Alg, or PSA cave into 100% mainline guys in them.

Personally I don't see why PSA dosen't sign on to it for the 705's, they already have postions for all their guys with respect to the 60 CRJ's so why not give the 705's to the mainline guys as long as the positions are there for the PSA guys when the mainline move back to the mainline or MDA (if that ever happens).

From what I'm told at Alg we've told them "no way" to 100% for thoes aircraft. I doesn't matter anyway, either way we're done for.

 

[Heavy Set]

CRJ 900 looks like an MD-80 from afar. Would be interesting to fly if the powers that be agree to terms...

 

[boeingdriver213]

Thanks for the info on the 705. I was misinformed. At any rate, I think it would be better to put the rjs (of any size) at the WOs. U has a large group of very professional pilots, both mainline and WO, in their own company who have more of an interest in our survival than a contract carrier. I know that if U were to sink even a Mesa or Tran States pilot is in trouble, but take care of your own first, IMHO.

 

[OneTuffGuy]

Learlove the reason PSA does not want it at 100% is because there is no guarentee that U mainline wont replace the entire 50 seat order with all big jets and then in turn all PSA pilots would be out of work since all the seats are 100%. Last I heard ALG & PDT offered to take to 70 seaters at 50/50 until 50 seat jets were place on the property and then they would give them back at 100% to U mainline. I am not sure this is only what i hear I am sure someone else knows.

 

[LearLove]

Learlove the reason PSA does not want it at 100% is because there is no guarentee that U mainline wont replace the entire 50 seat order with all big jets and then in turn all PSA pilots would be out of work since all the seats are 100%. Last I heard ALG & PDT offered to take to 70 seaters at 50/50 until 50 seat jets were place on the property and then they would give them back at 100% to U mainline. I am not sure this is only what i hear I am sure someone else knows.

Yeah, I'd believe that to, sounds like something thoes mainline MEC guys would pull, bet even DW down there in ALPO would be like, "good one, couldn't have screwed thoes commuter pilots better myself".

Can't we just try to stop screwing everyone else and find a way for all in U group to have a seat/job?

 

[328dude]

If the wholly owned get the 70 seaters, it will be at 50/50 or nothing. Period. PSA is in the worst position of these aircraft in regards to how many furlough guys there are here compared to original PSA guys. It's not just about airplanes, it'a also about keeping a 50/50 balance for voting issues on the union. I'd hate to see what happned to the WO's if you had a 70 percent mainline guys against the 30 percent WO guys.

Seems to me, youd be screwed.