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Southwest Airlines is being criticized for its policy are larger passengers. (AP file)

A New Orleans woman who said she was called “too fat to fly” at a Southwest gate last year is now filing a lawsuit demanding the carrier clarify its policies on larger passengers.

Kenlie Tiggeman considered Southwest’s “Customers of Size” policy too inconsistent, having been told at least twice that she would be unable to fit in their seats and other times flying on the airline with no problem at all. She said she has not had issues on other airlines.

New Orleans news station WDSU, which was unable to reach Southwest for comment, wrote:

In a petition and application for injunctive relief, she alleges Southwest violated her “constitutional rights” and engages in a practice of “discriminatory actions toward obese customers.”

As a consumer, Tiggeman said she has a right to know the rules at the point of purchase.

“We need to know what the rules are,” Tiggeman said. “We need to know if we need one seat or two, because this eyeballing happening at the gate is incredibly discriminatory, and it’s so unnecessary.”

Southwest indicates that “customers who encroach upon any part of the neighboring seat(s) should proactively book the needed number of seats prior to travel… (to) ensure that all Customers onboard have access to safe and comfortable seating.” The airlines’ seats are 17 inches wide, and passengers may not extend beyond the armrest in between seats.

Tiggeman expands on her reasoning behind the lawsuit in her own blog, AlltheWeigh.com. A similar suit was filed by a passenger 20 years ago and was dismissed.

Tiggeman’s incident occurred about a year after celebrity director Kevin Smith (aka Silent Bob) was “ejected” by a Southwest pilot for being unable to fit properly in his seat. Southwest apologized to both passengers and offered refunds and vouchers.
 
In other news, next week, every airline will be placing a sample seat for ass sizing right next to the unused carry on bag sizer device.
 
In other news, next week, every airline will be placing a sample seat for ass sizing right next to the unused carry on bag sizer device.

:laugh: Good one!

I can see the looks when people are asked to placed their bag in the bag sizer and their butt in the ass sizer. So long as every passenger has to take their turn in the seat, there would be no "size" discrimination.

Hey, maybe there's a product idea here. Be the first to build and deliver the "Ass Sizer 100" and sell it to the airlines. Build in a scale (hidden to the user) and transmit the data real time to the airframe's data center and you'll also have an exact passenger W&B calculated. If it is a smaller airframe with a narrow CG range, well, the Ass Sizer 100 could reassign seats as required. Also build in a vibrator; that way you might have fewer customer complaints. Of course, some may not want to get off the Ass Sizer 100 and increase delays, so the vibrator may create a different set of complaints.

Seems like several years ago there was a reality show about SWA. I can recall seeing part of an episode where the gate agent or some such person was having to make the call on a "COS" - Customer of Size. I thought it was good to refer to them as a Customer of Size because to call them a Passenger of Size would give you an acronym with an entirely different connotation :)
 
Lady, if you are too big to fit in a seat, you're too big to fit in a seat. If you want to be angry at someone, look in the mirror.
 
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Can someone who had to sit next to her on a flight counter sue her please? Clearly she must have caused great discomfort and intruded on the space of others.
 
She may have got on flights that were not full and had an "A" boarding pass where the gate agent has the choice to use discretion knowing quite well that no one in there right mind would sit beside a person of this size. On flights that are full then the gate agent has to follow company policy. I saw this last Wednesday in SAN where the person in front of me was in excess of 300lbs and the gate agent asked him if he had bought two seats and he said I am able to get into one. She told him if the flight was full he would be asked to leave and get another flight. He sat in the isle seat and was pouring out of both sides. The FA had a discussion with him as well and he was lucky there one seat left - guess it was beside him.
“LOOK IN THE MIRROR” mirror mirrow on the wall can I fit in an airline seat –NO
 
What are other companies policies on this?
 
:laugh: Good one!

I can see the looks when people are asked to placed their bag in the bag sizer and their butt in the ass sizer. So long as every passenger has to take their turn in the seat, there would be no "size" discrimination.

:)

For fans of the tv show The Deadliest Catch, you are familiar with the plastic thing to measure crabs to make sure they're big enough... Just design one that is as wide as the seat and hold it up to the butt. You'd be a millionaire!

Back to lurking...

C17D
 
Lady, if you are too big to fit in a seat, you're too big to fit in a seat. If you want to be angry at someone, look in the mirror.


Expect that you should see the size of some of the SWA flight attendants.

That is if you can even find a female FA at SWA.
 
The SWA fat man policy is the best thing going. I'm a captain at a 121. I do not non rev. I buy full tickets. I'm 170 pounds and when traveling on SWA I buy the fat man seat. It is sold at an extreme discount and is a guaranteed empty seat next to me. It's a godsend out of Florida. One open seat on the plane, people and FAs going crazy but I have my fat man seat guaranteed to be empty. People on my row buy me all the drinks I could ever want!
 
this fat ass should thank her lucky stars some kind SWA agent gives her a pass once in a while and doesnt charge her an extra seat. THe norm should be that she always pays for two seats and if its overlooked be happy lady.

Shes built like a refrigerator, actually like a ********************ing freezer. something that could store an elephant in.
 
This is America. Everyone here has a right to sit and eat themselves into the 300+ club if they wish. They even have the right to try and hop onto a privately owned mode of conveyance and tell the unfortunate souls next to them to kiss their fat ass. But the people providing said conveyance have the right to tell them "no."
 
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I'd feel bad if she were a midget or something beyond her control to ever fix.

She's fat. If life is that awful to you there is something you can do about it.
 
If you'd like to see and hear more irrate Customer of Size (COS) stories, be sure to tune into our new reality series "On The Fly" Premiering Thursday May 24th 9/8 Central on TLC.:)
 
this fat ass should thank her lucky stars some kind SWA agent gives her a pass once in a while and doesnt charge her an extra seat. THe norm should be that she always pays for two seats and if its overlooked be happy lady.

Shes built like a refrigerator, actually like a ********************ing freezer. something that could store an elephant in.

Jim Croce saw here once while watching TV in a bar

She is a five foot six and two fifteen
A bleached-blonde mama with a streak of mean
She knew how to knuckle
And she knew how to scuffle and fight
And the roller derby program said
That she were built like a 'fridgerator with a head
The fans called her "Tuffy"
But all her buddies called her "Spike"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw9IaCidqWQ
 
Hey honey, if you can't fit in the seat, we have plenty of room in the cargo hold for your fat ass!
 
Mumble: [to the leopard seal] See you fatty!
[the Amigos suddenly stop walking and slowly turn towards Mumble]
Ramón: That's cool! "See you fatty!"
[Amigos laugh]
Ramón: Did it take you a while to come up with that one? Alright, way to go tall guy.
Rinaldo: [reaching up to high-five Mumble] Gimme fin! Gimme fin!
 
Airbus Pitches Wide Seats As PAXS Get Bigger

This may be a partial solution for our oversized paxs:/B]


Airbus pitches wide seats as U.S. fliers get bigger
By Ben Mutzabaugh, USA TODAY

U.S. airlines seem to be on the a constant lookout for new add-on fees. Carry-on bags, reserved seats, help from an agent by phone – those are just some of the things that come with a charge at many U.S. carriers these days.

And, now, it appears that one of the world's biggest jetmakers is trying to aid airlines in their quest for new options for add-on fees.

Airbus is pitching several U.S. airlines on the idea of an A320 jet with aisle seats that are three inches wider than the plane's other seats.

That, Airbus says, would let carriers charge customers a premium for those wider seats.

"Airlines are improving their margins by charging for bags, window seats and food," Airbus COO John Leahy says in an interview with Bloomberg News. "But what most people really want is space, and that's what we can offer. Every economy-class aisle seat would be almost as wide as a first-class seat on competing aircraft."

By appealing to U.S. airlines that are continuously seeking new ways to boost revenue, Airbus also hopes the move could better position its A320 jets against Boeing's best-selling 737, which competes head-to-head with the A320.

Bloomberg News explains:

Adding two inches to one-third of the seats in an A320 would hand U.S. airlines a marketing tool that they could target at the obese population, which has swelled to more than one- third of U.S. adults, according to Data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination survey. Airbus has sought to win more business with U.S. airlines and ween them off the 737, which remains the world's most widely flown commercial aircraft.

Airbus is able to consider such a ploy for its A320s because its cabins are slightly wider than those on the 737. Currently, a typical 3-by-3 seating configuration on an Airbus A320 allows for three 18-inch coach seats on either side of the aisle. Boeing's comparable 3-by-3 seating arrangement on its 737s comes with 17-inch seats in coach, according to Bloomberg.

As part of the proposal Airbus is floating to the U.S. airlines, it has designed an A320 prototype that would come with 20-inch aisle seats and 17-inch seats elsewhere in the cabin.

Leahy says the roomier seats could appeal – and possibly be sold – to a wide range of fliers, such a large passenger or a parent traveling with a child.

"This will become very popular soon in a very short time," he predicts to Bloomberg.

Stay tuned…
 
Then you'll be reading about lawsuits for airlines charging for the wide seats to people that have disabilities that make them extra-wide. Those diseases include mymouthisopenus, couchpotatoitis, lazyasses, the hereditary cantbeproperparentandsaynototvandmcdsliosis.
 
I'd feel bad if she were a midget or something beyond her control to ever fix.

She's fat. If life is that awful to you there is something you can do about it.

"But I have a glaaaaaaandular condition!" :rolleyes:

Right. And if you quit shoveling mass quantities of crap in your mouth and got off your lazy ass, your metabolic system has a funny way of self-regulating.

Obesity is sad but society's handling obese people with kid gloves just pisses me off entirely.

But at least I know there is a certain (majority) percentage of the population I can outrun when the Zombie Apocalypse hits.
 
Speaking of the Ass sizer...


I've seen them bring the passenger down to the actual plane before boarding begins to 'size' them. One employee on each side to see if they fit. It's crazy, but it's the reality of the ass sizing.
 
Start selling tickets by the pound. I'd bet you'd see a dramatic reduction in the number of lardos tromping through the terminal.
 
I wish this country had a policy of charging the litigant who sues, ALL of the court costs and costs of attorney for the defendant, after this gets tossed out of course.
 
This is America. Everyone here has a right to sit and eat themselves into the 300+ club if they wish.

Do they have the "right" to impose their size on others?

I applaud SWA for having the "cajones" to enforce this policy.

I see the ACLU getting a hold of this one....could get uglier.
 

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