Woft

[chawbein]

Cry me a river.

While you are at it, tape an asprin to your aching vagina.

Some dudes tried to give you some advice and you whined. Even when you tried to get things settled down you complained about EVERYBODY ELSE'S attitude. Wrong answer. Learn some humility and come back tomorrow. I think you will find that there is plenty of good advice and a wide base of knowledge here if you don't act like a jackass.

 

[d.morris]

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[Troll]

maybe you should look up LeTourneau university sometime. most of you couldnt even get into letourneau if ur daddy's ran the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** school. so lets keep talkin sh*t hobos.

What the heck. I'm at home sick today (severe case of sandincrackitis)

From the esteemed Le Tournea University website:

Welcome to The School of Aeronautical Science
While our minds are on airplanes and flying, our hearts are centered on Jesus Christ. Faith is an integral part of all that we do. We are not only preparing our students for an exciting career in aviation, but we are also preparing them to make a difference in their world. At LeTourneau University, you will find an aeronautical science program with a higher purpose.

Admissions requirements: 1 unit of computers required. Minimum composite ACT score of 20 (combined SAT I score of 950), rank in top half of secondary school class, and minimum 2.5 GPA required.

Undergraduate tuition: $11,568

Somebody needs to go to confession!! Chill bro. Be nice to your new best friend Pistolpete. He has some info, but doesn't have to share it with you. Thanks for making my day! I feel better already.

 

[KingAirFan]

You guys need to lighten up!

WOFT is a great program. I'd quit school and dive right in now while you are young--you can work on your degree later.

I didn't fly helicopters, but guys I know did and loved it. I think you'd have a blast and ought to give it a try at your first shot. I understand being 19 and anxious to start an aviation career...I was young once, too.

If I were you I'd sign right up. WOFT will be a grind at first, but you will love it. Raging around in an Apache or Cobra would be a great job for a 21 year old. Good luck!

 

[Papyco]

Holy smokes,

Man, I’ve been reading this board for a while now and I have never seen anyone who is as big of an idiot as you. The guy tried to help you and all you did was insult him and then continue to make a complete ass of yourself in front of everyone. On top of all that you posted your phone number, email address AND to top it all off you used your full name!! Wow.

 

[AlbieF15]

You guys are too hard on Mr. Morris...he just wants info.

Mr Morris...

I think you should quit college now and chase your dreams of flying. The Army is GREAT! You will have a blast learning to fly helicopters. I'm sure you'll do very well and have a lot of fun learning to fly "the Army way".

You can always finish college down the road--heck--the Army may even foot some of the bill. That beats stickin' mom and dad with the tuition. They'll be relieved, and you can go enjoy some flying while you are still very young.

You can serve your country a while and then go to the major airlines. By the time your are out, the airlines should be hiring, and they always scoop up guys with lots of rotor time.

Run, don't walk...and sign up now. If you don't grab your WOFT slot someone else in front of you will...especially with the airlines not hiring at the moment. You need to join at the first opportunity!

Good luck!

 

[scarface]

I agree that it's best if you can get a fixed wing USAFR or Air National Guard slot. But I don't think that'll happen with one year of college.
I'd try the Army Reserve or National Guard and see if they have any flight school slots. While the tuition stipend they may give you won't cover the salty numbers you mentioned before, that, along with your monthly drill pay can help. This may all be academic if the balloon goes up and everyone is activated but it should still put you back on campus sooner. And you should want to complete your degree.
If you get it in writing the military will honor the contract, but remember they'll guarantee you get to flight school, the rest is up to you. Make sure all physicals and writtens are taken before signing anything.
As a former helicopter pilot it is my sad duty to report, at least in my case,logged rotary wing time did little(and that's being kind) to help me get an airline job. But the paycheck it provided while I was in the reserves and the experience I aquired did help quite a bit.
Good Luck!

P.S. I'm sure you've gathered you can't be too thin skinned and go through flight school. When you're marching in a platoon and the DI is bellowing you're all a bunch of idiots you can wonder who he's talking about. When you're the only other one in the cockpit it kind of narrows it down.

 

[d.morris]

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[Zulu]

Finishing college while on active duty is a piece of cake. I'd venture to guess that over 90% of the infantry guys I worked with while an ALO were working on either undergrad or graduate degrees. From what I saw, if you're enrolled with an "accredited" university, the Army will give you 2 to 3 "duty hours" a day for coursework (I think it replaces "platoon sgt time") and will guarantee that you're released from duty in time to make your classes. I'm not sure how much tuition they paid -- you'd have to talk to a recruiter for that.
Just to echo what Albie said, it seems like a great program. I sure wish I'd known about it when I was younger. Definitely the quickest way into a cockpit and a great way of life.

Good luck

Z

 

[Wolf King]

The bottom line is that you ought to put apps in with as many programs as your interest allows, then once you have some offers you can make a decision.

I am glad to see that you have had a change of attitude, but I can't help but think your initial reaction to people on this board will be a major hurdle in a successful aviation career (or any career, for that matter).

I have always been happy to mentor folks coming behind me. I have on numerous occasions gone to schools to talk about military aviation and gotten kids into fighter sims on base. One undecided high school kid decided to go to ERUA after getting out of a sim. He's a great kid with a great attitude. Since I fly for a major airline, and still fly in the Reserves on the side, I feel sure that there will come a day where I or someone I know can help give him a break into the majors, the military or both.

If the worst thing you ever do is spew crap on this board, then you'll probably be fine. But, I would certainly be a bit more diplomatic in the future!

 

[Mud Eagle]

THIS is the guy who deserves to get his a$$ eaten for lunch for things he's said on the internet.

If you don't think that things said online can hurt you in real life, go search the Military Flying forum at studentpilot.net for the escapades of a guy named "Animal". This was a good-hearted dude with a strange sense of humor who made the mistake of putting his bizarre brand of humor on the internet for all to see -- including his OTS instructors. They didn't see his commentary in quite the same humorous light that he intended it.

He was drummed out and, as far as I've heard, is a civilian today.

D. Morris, if you don't un-f*ck your act here in short order you might end up the same way.

There are some very knowlegeable and experienced folks on this board....read and heed their advice and you might be flying the big iron like you want someday.

 

[jurisj]

completing school

Finishing college while on active duty is a piece of cake. I'd venture to guess that over 90% of the infantry guys I worked with while an ALO were working on either undergrad or graduate degrees. From what I saw, if you're enrolled with an "accredited" university, the Army will give you 2 to 3 "duty hours" a day for coursework (I think it replaces "platoon sgt time") and will guarantee that you're released from duty in time to make your classes.

It's possible, yes, but definitely not a "piece of cake" for an aviation warrant to complete his degree while in. Many people have done it, but an aviation warrant officer does not have sergeant's time like the infantry that Zulu had contact with. You don't have a couple of hours set aside like that.

Your chain-of-command will expect your priorities to be to make RL1 first and foremost so that you can fly missions as a PI (essentially the copilot). Second, you will want to work towards making pilot-in-command. Third, you will want to take care of your assigned additional duties which range from something as basic as filling the snack fridge to taking care of NVGs to being in charge of your unit's COMSEC gear. If you have any time left after all of that, go ahead and go for your degree. I, honestly, do not have the time as an RL1 WO1 Blackhawk pilot in the 101st Airborne. Maybe I will in the future, but I cannot imagine trying to take some night classes now.

I'm not sure how much tuition they paid -- you'd have to talk to a recruiter for that.

Currently the Army will pay for 100% tuition. There is, of course, a catch (or two). One, if you must complete the course or else reimburse the cost of the course to the Army. Two, you owe an additional two years Active Duty Service Obligation to the Army upon completion of the course. However, you will already owe the Army 6 years upon completion of flight training, and the ADSO's can run concurrently. In other words, as long as you owe the Army more than 2 years, you can take a course without additional time being added on to your service.

Just some constructive criticism for d.morris from someone who has just gone through the WOFT program and is now a young, inexperienced Warrant in an active duty Army Aviation unit... humility will go a long way. People tried to help and you flipped out on them. Just be humble and listen to what they have to tell you. In a unit, they will eat you alive with that kind of attitude. Best of luck to you, and let us know if there are any more questions we can answer.

Cheers,

- Juris

 

[d.morris]

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[Chickenhawk]

You guys are too nice...I thought the first page was much more fun.

Any military flying job is nice right now. However, my rotor wing friends are having a little trouble with "options" right now. The fixed wing time seems to be a little more valuable trying to pick up guard/reserve jobs. A huge generalization, but it's true where I am. (i.e. get the degree and go to OTS)

If all else fails, there are "gay for pay" films that don't require you to be "on bottom". You can make up to 15,000 per film if you are properly equipped, and it beats hetero porn (only @ 500/film). You may want to retaliate to this, but I just read about it in last months "Spin" magazine....I'm truly trying to help. One film would pay for a semester of tuition, and you only have to say more Christian things like "Do you want a piece of my ####".

Hope this helps (and livens the thread back up)

AETC jerk (My mission is attrition)

 

[jurisj]

Re: to everyone

since you have already been throught the program, how hard did you find it to be?

When I went through Warrant Officer Candidate School and through flight school, I was 27 and I already had my B.A. from Boston University and had about 5 years experience in the work force. I'll comment more on that later.

I found that WOCS was as hard as you made it. I tend to worry a lot about little things, so I really stressed about inspections and academic exams and stuff like that, whereas others felt it was a breeze. Then again, I had some Army Rangers tell me it was one tough school to complete. I guess it depends on your class and who your TAC Officers are. Regardless they'll get you in great shape and you'll be proud to get your appointment.

As for flight school, I felt that each phase tends to be heavily front loaded. The first couple of weeks of each phase (primary, instruments, basic combat skills, NVGs, etc.) were tough. Once you have a solid grasp of the material and adequately memorize the necessary information, you can slow down a bit and enjoy yourself more. You can never completely back off of studying, though, because there's always a checkride or academic exam coming up in a few days.

Again, it depends on how much you apply yourself. If you take it seriously and study hard, you'll have your pick of aircraft to fly in the end and a better selection of duty assignment. If you just cruise through, your final aircraft assignment will be left up to chance and you may not have a say in it.

ive had alot of guys emailing me, saying the army is really hurting right now for pilots. they say the time to go woft is now. how do u feel about that?

I agree. Acceptance rates into the program are at an all time high. As long as you meet the prerequisites and can make it through basic training and WOCS, the Army will give you a shot at flight training.

and what exactly does a wo do besides fly?

Everyone gets "additional duties". The traditional additional duty given to the newest WO1 in the unit is the infamous "fridge bitch". In the Air Force they call it Snack-O. Basically you're responsible for filling the company's snack fridge with soft drinks and goodies.

In my company, at least, additional duties are partially assigned by need and partially assigned by other skills. I used to have 7 additional duties, but as more new guys show up at the unit, I've been able to cut the number down to just the ones that I really like to do. I've been kind of lucky. I'm pretty good at computers and commo equipment so my company commander named me the Company Information Management Officer, the COMSEC custodian, and Commo officer. I basically work with the battalion commo shop to ensure that my company can utilize our radios securely and to their fullest extent.

and one more thing. does anyone think i will be able to make the january 13th board, i think it's the 13th, if im taking the afast wednesday and the flight physical after that? i dont want to have to stay at this college any more than i have too. anyways please keep the info coming and thanks again.

It took me approximately 4-5 months to completely process my application. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but there's a lot to do and you've got to find a recruiter that knows how to process the application and is willing to work with you. You will make 2 trips to the flight surgeon and each one takes up about a whole day. You also need to complete your secret security clearance and take an official DA photo. You will also need to interview with a board. I don't think you can make it in time for January 13th because it usually takes a couple of weeks to complete each one of these individual items, not to mention the fact that a willing and competent recruiter is difficult to find for this program.

Here's a couple of useful links:
http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/
http://www.goarmy.com/job/warrant/

Good luck,

- Juris

 

[Pistlpetet]

This is info for other people besides you Morris, but thanks for the entertainment factor of exposing your true colors.

This for "KingAirFan"

Kingairfan
If you have not lived the life a helo pilot in the army, how could you ever make an accurate or educated statement. Your talk about flying around in Cobras is proof of not having a clue about the current situation of Army Aviation. The cobra is history. Also it is extremely rare for any 18-21yr old to go to flight school today (average age is 27) with max being 29.

Morris you are still not worthy, but hopefully other more sane people have learned from your mistakes.

ALBIEF15...Apologies

 

[Chunk]

Say there dmorris, how do you justify putting "military" in your profile?

What a choad. You'll go far.

Chunk

 

[Skyrunner]

WOW!!!!

Albie's comments went way over your head.

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I give. Ya'll have a nice life and career.

Adios,

SR

 

[boxcar]

Pistlpetet:

Some people speak with tongue firmly in cheek.
You might consider enrolling in a "Recognising Sarcasm 101" class.

 

[d.morris]

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