Witness Sees Third Plane in ACC Shorts WI Mid-Air!

[XTW]

Continue watching for the men in black suits and them UFO’s that the government is using to spy on you. Did you hear that? Look around, they are watching you.

Don't be silly, they're the one's in the black helicopters!:nuts: For a poster posing as a dispatcher, Markm1811 is asking some uneducated questions, hence my sarcasm. Sorry it was lost on you.

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[CRJDispatchKid]

As I haven't found any information about this company's equipment, I'll pose it here. Do the Shorts even have TCAS installed? I know the FAA mandated the system in late 1993 to be required on all commercial aircraft operating in US airspace, but I don't know the requirement for part 91/135 operations.



A little background on the TCAS system:
- Developed in the early 1980's, but not moved through legislation until a mid-air collision over LA in 1986.

- The principle of TCAS is to identify and track movement of aircraft that are equipped with transponders.

- There are three types of TCAS systems:
1.) TCAS I - Basic version, generally found in general aviation aircraft. Provides traffic advisories (TA) on a display and requires pilot input to avoid collision.

2.) TCAS II - This is what is found on commercial airliners. Provides TA's and resolution advisories (RA's). There are 2 types of RA's, positive and preventative. Preventative RA's don't require a change in altitude to avoid conflict. A positive RA requires a pilot input to climb or descend at a predetermined rate (I believe 2500 ft/min) to avoid a conflict. If both aircraft have TCAS II (mode-s transpoder) then the units will "talk" to one another and issues RA's that will not conflict with one another.

3.) TCAS III - Gives the same as TCAS II, but also provides lateral deviation instructions.

I did a paper on the subject of traffic collision avoidance in college. I guess I remembered a little of it. Maybe it will answer some questions for people. Outtie.

 

[cherry20's]

Or course they don't have TCAS

Do you think any of the smaller freight dogs have TCAS? Not that I have ever heard. Hopefully the crash was not the ACC pilots fault. I can see a VFR pilot cruising around, not paying attention like he should be, and causing the Shorts to hit each other. I just hope my friend that died in the crash didn't suffer in the aftermath.

Remember guys, People did just die in this incident. Lets let the NTSB do there jobs and pray for there friends and families involved.

 

[sky37d]

I'm sorry, I missed it. Were they flying in formation??
That is dangerous, no matter what you do.

http://www.337skymaster.org/messages/attachment.php?s=&postid=9737

 

[luvz2fli]

I'm sorry, I missed it. Were they flying in formation??
That is dangerous, no matter what you do.

http://www.337skymaster.org/messages/attachment.php?s=&postid=9737

Yes they were flying formation. Yes it is dangerous but being a pilot, I'm sure most all of you have done it before.

And everyone, please remember that people did die here. We do not need any stupid or negative remarks to be made about the pilots involved. I had a good friend involved and I personally do not appreciate it.

 

[Say Again Over]

Presuming that the larger planes had anti collision radar. by Markm1811

Isn't that on the new Lincoln Town car?

 

[luvz2fli]

Yes they do have TCAS, but obviously it was turned off. Having it on with the other shorts so close would be stupid though since it would be going off repeatedly.

http://www.todaystmj4.com/_content/news/topstories/story_1398.asp
Another video

 

[ReportCanoa]

What they saw, was the wing falling off one of the airplanes. ANd I thought I had it bad...

 

[planejockey]

I hope that the guys out there making dumb comments and speculating about the accident come to a realization that these men were doing our nation service. As an American please pay your respects to all that were involved trying to preserve our right to live free. I have a friend who is involved and I am greatly appreciative what he has put towards our nation. BTW formation flying or not flying is a risk every time you fly; hell ridding your bicycle is a risk. Those guys are professionals, so please give them the utmost respect and let the NTSB and the FAA figure it out.

 

[sky37d]

No negative comments from me.
In fact, the link I posted is a picture of me, on the left as you view it, doing a formation take off. I realize well and true what the dangers are. I do it quite enough.
I am truly saddened whenever an aviaition tragedy strikes, not only for the loss of life, but for the impact on the survivors.
All of us have lost someone close to us, or you will. Treasure the moments and memories amongst the living. Remember fondly those who are not with us. Speak well of those who are gone, or not at all.

 

[luvz2fli]

I am truly saddened whenever an aviaition tragedy strikes, not only for the loss of life, but for the impact on the survivors.
All of us have lost someone close to us, or you will. Treasure the moments and memories amongst the living. Remember fondly those who are not with us. Speak well of those who are gone, or not at all.

Very well put. I couldn't have said it better myself.

I hope that the guys out there making dumb comments and speculating about the accident come to a realization that these men were doing our nation service. As an American please pay your respects to all that were involved trying to preserve our right to live free. I have a friend who is involved and I am greatly appreciative what he has put towards our nation. BTW formation flying or not flying is a risk every time you fly; hell ridding your bicycle is a risk. Those guys are professionals, so please give them the utmost respect and let the NTSB and the FAA figure it out.

I also agree with your statement. These were guys getting ready to head over to Iraq. Let's give them the respect they are due!

 

[SPBRIAN]

Was this a revenue flight, repo or company sponsored event?

 

[Bryan D]

Very well put. I couldn't have said it better myself.



I also agree with your statement. These were guys getting ready to head over to Iraq. Let's give them the respect they are due!

Heading to Iraq or not I hope somebody can learn something from this accident. A photo op, two planes are close enough to collide in mid air. Somebody made a miscalculation and there are two dead people besides your pilot friend to prove it. Get control of your emotions for gods sake.

 

[FN FAL]

I hope that the guys out there making dumb comments and speculating about the accident come to a realization that these men were doing our nation service. As an American please pay your respects to all that were involved trying to preserve our right to live free. I have a friend who is involved and I am greatly appreciative what he has put towards our nation. BTW formation flying or not flying is a risk every time you fly; hell ridding your bicycle is a risk. Those guys are professionals, so please give them the utmost respect and let the NTSB and the FAA figure it out.

Can I have permission to use your post in my college ethics class?