Will Working for Geax Jets Ruin Your Career?

[RJP]

No, seriously. For those of us who don't know the politics behind a lot of the mainland regional issues, I'm curious if taking a job at a place like GJ could hurt you down the road when you try to find another job.

I'm not posting flamebait but had a friend ask me if this would be a good career move (shiny jet symdrome aside) and I couldn't really answer the question.

 

[i fly boxes]

when is your interview?

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Who's for sure. Some will get by and not pay the price but there are some who will. That dream corporate job might have a former TSA pilot, who was on the wrong end of the deal, doing the interviews. Do you think you'll get the job even if your so qualified, it hurts? Doubt it! and you may want to move to St Louis. It may be tough to commute.

 

[SEVEN]

No, seriously. For those of us who don't know the politics behind a lot of the mainland regional issues, I'm curious if taking a job at a place like GJ could hurt you down the road when you try to find another job.

I'm not posting flamebait but had a friend ask me if this would be a good career move (shiny jet symdrome aside) and I couldn't really answer the question.

It might make things difficult in the short term (i.e. trying to jumpseat on business or personal, getting scab yelled at you across the terminal)

But in the long term it will be yesterdays news (that is if GOJ*ts actually survives more than 5 years) Look what happened to Freedom. After a few years they unionize and become "part of the team." GOJ*TS will probably try and get Teamsters then Alpa will come in. In a few years lots of people won't even know the GOJ*TS story and those who do will have accepted the fact that they are now another unionized regional carrier.

Sad but true.

 

[Prop2Jet]

You have to make a living somewhere right. Its not like your defecting. Good luck!

 

[Jet_Driver]

It is not you that people are ticked at, it is your management (GO JETS). It wouldn't make sense to not hire a professional pilot because of who he worked for. However, there are some guys running interview boards who might have a grudge, and that could hurt you. Good luck man, I hope you get on somewhere and live your dream. Remember, it's about flying airplanes. That is why we do this, right?

 

[Green]

It might make things difficult in the short term (i.e. trying to jumpseat on business or personal, getting scab yelled at you across the terminal)

But in the long term it will be yesterdays news (that is if GOJ*ts actually survives more than 5 years) Look what happened to Freedom. After a few years they unionize and become "part of the team." GOJ*TS will probably try and get Teamsters then Alpa will come in. In a few years lots of people won't even know the GOJ*TS story and those who do will have accepted the fact that they are now another unionized regional carrier.

Sad but true.

I don't think I agree with you on that one. I don't think anybody has forgotten Freedumb Air or forgiven their pilots. You can't tell the rest of the industry to F%^k off and then expect everyone to forgive you over a beer a few years later. Losing the respect of your peers would be a tough thing to deal with for 20-30-40 years. I'd say stay away, it's not worth it. The pot at the end of the rainbow isn't that heavy anymore. No need to stab others in the back to beat them to it.

 

[CA1900]

I saw this on the Will Fly For Food listing for GeauxJets:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Be prepared to tell them about ANY time you've been arrested, not just convicted of a crime.

[/FONT]That seems a little.... odd.

 

[airjackson]

If you saw the folks they are hiring, it wouldn't strike you as odd at all.

 

[johndt]

It is not you that people are ticked at, it is your management (GO JETS). It wouldn't make sense to not hire a professional pilot because of who he worked for.

Wrong. People ARE ticked at the pilots. There's no love for TSAH either obviously, but if you get into a company on the ground floor like GJ, people are going to think you're an A-hole. Plain and simple. You'll have to be embarrassed every time you tell any pilot how your career started. Remember that you're going to be sitting next to some guy for 3-4 days, it's gonna come up -- a lot. And if someone decides not to hire you b/c they're afraid that you might have low moral standards, I think that's fair.

But I wouldn't avoid GJ just b/c it -might- hurt your career; you should avoid it b/c it's wrong. Wrong morally and wrong for the industry.

My 2 cents.

 

[Lav Service]

Also, several airlines (SWA for example) post a list of pilot candidates for all of their current employees to see. If any of them have a problem with someone, they can let the hiring dept know. I have flown with several people who have been on the wrong side of this policy and it has cost them the job. As long as there are TSA pilots going to other companies such as these, it stands to reason that they are going to do everything in their power to prevent any former GJ people from working there.

I once worked at a small company that had a real jerk as a Chief Pilot. Aside from being an arrogant prick, he had all the requirements to move on to better jobs (turbine pic etc.). Once I asked a ramp manager why he was still there (since he didn't make much more than we did), I was told that he had tried three times at better jobs. But each time he was interviewed by an ex employee of his! (This guy must have had awful luck.....call it karma) Watch who you step on I guess.

 

[ricj41]

My former job was trans states. At my new job captains ask me what is the deal with Go jets and I explain it to them.
An alter ego airline created by the holding company to fly larger aircraft and to get around the tsa pilots contract. Then I ask them what they would think of guys going to another airline started up by our/my current parent holding company to fly larger aircraft (a321s) while our union was trying to get the flying done by our pilot group. "Oh scabs" I have heard more then once. "Scum bags" is another.
If you are willing to f**k over 1 pilot group for you own selfish needs why wouldn't you be willing to do it again?
You might get out but you'll be lucky

 

[RJP]

when is your interview?

Good one. But it's not me. i've got a job that I like. No SJS here. I think the interviews were last week. Haven't heard any after-action report yet.

 

[RJP]

Thanks for all the replies. Interesting stuff. Makes me wonder how the Mesa-Hawaii guys will be received when they arrive.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Thanks for all the replies. Interesting stuff. Makes me wonder how the Mesa-Hawaii guys will be received when they arrive.

the mesa-hawaii operation is not an alter ego. Its mesa pilots on the seniority list going to bases for flying that was open to everyone on the list to bid on. ITs not anything like go F your self Jets or the old freedumb deal.

 

[737 Pylt]

If you are willing to f**k over 1 pilot group for you own selfish needs why wouldn't you be willing to do it again?
You might get out but you'll be lucky

Well said! Its just too bad there aren't more that think like you or gay jets would be shut down by now!
737

 

[jocolo]

They are not allow to jumpseat on PCL, this came from the Alpa

 

[spiffomatic]

If I'm on an interview board down the road, I will probably look at g0jets on the resume as at least 2 strikes. The current pilots there are WELL aware of what they are doing, or SO blatantly ignorant, I would wonder what else they don't know.

 

[twflys]

it would be interesting to see someone bashing *************************s being interviewed by a former *************************s captain- oh how the tables would turn.

 

[Dodge]

I personally think that the Gay Jets pilots are real scum. Same for the original Freedom dills. That being said, ALPA has taught us that it is ok to be a real scab, so being a scumbag should warrant even less disdain.

twflys has it mostly correct. Pilots that would tell the rest of the industry to F off for their own greed to the detriment of others are the same pilots who have the personality qualities that many (regional) airlines look for in their Chief Pilot applicants. Funny how these guys always want to be Chief Pilots too.

 

[doh]

I can find no fault with the Tway guys who took the job. ALPA abandoned them a long time ago. If it was me, I'd say wtf and go.

 

[theo]

If you read this board with any regularity you will find working for any Regional Airline will put you in the crosshair of disapproval and in many cases hate from some other group of persons who feels somehow Airline A or pilot A has done something to "lower the bar" in the profession. You will find vow after vow that somehow they will be made to pay for their alleged sins. If you really believe the stuff you read on this board about how your career decisions will be used against you throughout your progression in the industry, then you will be better off not going into aviation at all. Too many axes to grind to keep them all straight. Go where the circumstances are favorable to you. Including Go Jet. I hear they are getting more aircraft and that they are in a segment of aircraft that will most likely continue to grow. If you get the opportunity and don't take it then someone else will. Don't let the silly rants on a board like this keep you from doing what would be a logical step in a pilots progression in the industry. Good luck!

 

[MINIME]

Like it or not, know it or not, GJ pilots are already paying the price for their decision to join a carrier that hurts us ALL. I ran into one about 2 months ago. It was almost sad to see this dude cover eveything that said GJ on it. If you should decide to go there, be aware of the uncontrollable facts that you are going to face.

I still don't think any pilot group will accept you. You will never be at total peace walking through terminals. You will not casually join another pilot group for lunch at food courts. You will deal with ugly starring from other pilots. You will have uncomfortable van rides if riding with another crew from a different airline. If you jumpseat, you will always be wondering if that partucular CA will let you ride.

On the career side, who knows. You just better hope that someone with the power to make a decision on whether you're hired or not, hasn't heard of GJ, but most importantly, doesn't care about what it stands for. Some may not care but it's safe to say that this name has already become well known around the industry.

 

[RJP]

the mesa-hawaii operation is not an alter ego.

Well, since their new name is also GO!, it's a little difficult to tell the difference between them and JO JETS! My point wasn't so much the alter ego issue, but how the pilots would be perceived by the ones who's jobs they're trying to elminate at Hawaiian, Aloha and Island Air.

 

[CA1900]

Uhhh... that's called "competition," and is an entirely different issue than multiple airlines fighting to operate the same flights under the same brand. This is no different than Southwest entering the Philly market against US Airways. If they ran their 737s as US Airways Express on the same routes, then you'd have a point.

 

[RJP]

Uhhh... that's called "competition,"

Uhhhh.....sure. But as I stated earlier, it's about the perception of the guys they're trying to jumpseat with or who they see in the terminal getting a latte. You don't think they'll be hiding their windbreakers as soon as they leave the cockpit?

 

[Shrek]

Then don't go to EITHER interview then........

 

[RJP]

Good one. But it's not me. i've got a job that I like. No SJS here.

Again, it's not me. I wouldn't work for Mesa, Blowjets, MesaGOHawaii, BlowMesa, or any other such organization. But thanks for the input.

 

[Smarta$$]

You have to make a living somewhere right. Its not like your defecting. Good luck!

Hey prop2SJS, This is a rediculous excuse. There are many regionals hiring right now. At least 5-10 of them. If making a living is the only is the goal then no one would have to go to gayjets. They are $hitheads and they do know it.

If anyone still thinks it is acceptable to go work for gayjets, then you do not know everything about the situation or the company. Or you work there, see first hand the hatred most have for you and are on this board trying to change peoples mind to improve your situation.

There are a few on this board that work there that defend working for gayjets. They are simply trying to swing peoples opinion so that when they try to get another job, or when they walk through the terminal, or ride in a crew van, or get asked who they work for, or try to jumpseat, they wont be hated or staired at or called names.

Those that work at gayjets and come on this board defending them do not acually believe they are doing right. Thay are just trying to minimize the mistake they made. Think about it. If you worked their and were being harrased by your peers, embarrased to go to work and could tell people in person who you work for, you would try to defend it on here to try to improve your situation.

But WE are not falling for it.

 

[Smarta$$]

If you read this board with any regularity you will find working for any Regional Airline will put you in the crosshair of disapproval and in many cases hate from some other group of persons who feels somehow Airline A or pilot A has done something to "lower the bar" in the profession. You will find vow after vow that somehow they will be made to pay for their alleged sins. If you really believe the stuff you read on this board about how your career decisions will be used against you throughout your progression in the industry, then you will be better off not going into aviation at all. Too many axes to grind to keep them all straight. Go where the circumstances are favorable to you. Including Go Jet. I hear they are getting more aircraft and that they are in a segment of aircraft that will most likely continue to grow. If you get the opportunity and don't take it then someone else will. Don't let the silly rants on a board like this keep you from doing what would be a logical step in a pilots progression in the industry. Good luck!

Perfect example of someone that is being ridiculed by other aviators and is trying very hard to convince others that it is ok to work for gayjets.

WE are still not falling for it.