Will They Hire ex-GM/Ford Pilots?

[AA717driver]

I guess the AF brass and Congresswh0res are special enough to merit Gulfstreams...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/05/house-pencils-millions-jets-air-force-did-request/

Sorry GM and Ford pilots, you need not apply. uke:

TC

 

[LJ45]

More two face BS from our elected. Makes me sick. I hope who ever voted for Obama and the rest of the clowns are happy.

 

[clickclickboom]

As much as Ohnobama and his cronies just makes me want to puke i just cant get to upset of purchases that support americas only sustainable industry left..

Now if they cancelled the order and bought falcons or globals i would be insanely pissed.

 

[BoilerUP]

As much as Ohnobama and his cronies just makes me want to puke i just cant get to upset of purchases that support americas only sustainable industry left..

I don't think anybody has a problem with Gulfstream selling jets to the military for a fleet modernization.

What I think we all have a problem with is after months of skewering "fat-cat CEOs" and their private jet use that the House Appropriations Committee, on their own accord, spent $132M extra taxpayer dollars during the worst recession since the Great Depression (and after deficit spending well into the TRILLIONS already this year) to buy two world-class bizjets the USAF didn't request. And that's to say nothing about the $200M for two extra C40s (BBJs) the USAF didn't request.

Also, $132M/2 is $66M...how much of a premium on a "regular" G550 is that? It seems like its about $15M per copy higher than list prices...

 

[ruhroa]

they are buying 3 g550 one is for the pentagon for the "africa" command

 

[LR45JI]

More two face BS from our elected. Makes me sick. I hope who ever voted for Obama and the rest of the clowns are happy.

It's all Obama/Dems fault.....gimme a break.

Crap like this has been going on for many...many years. Apparently just now are a few of you are waking up to that fact. Reminds me of the county idiot cop that runs 120 mph to the wreck that happened an hour ago.

The two big pushers were from GA - one a (D), one a (R). They can now put in the their re-election litature that they brought 200M in commerce to the state and saved X-number of jobs.

 

[DieselDragRacer]

This press release coincidentally came out the day before yesterday and not a hint of a US taxpayer order.....

About 2,200 workers at Gulfstream Aerospace are back on the job in Savannah after a month-long furlough.



The private jet manufacturer, Savannah's larget private employer, placed the employees on unpaid leave starting June 29 in an effort to slow production as it saw customers delaying orders in hopes of waiting for the economy to improve.


Gulfstream spokesman Robert Baugniet (bone-YAY) said 1,500 workers returned on Monday after a five-week furlough. An additional 700 employees came back to work last week after being furloughed for four weeks.


Gulfstream's parent company, General Dynamics, said last week that orders for new large-cabin jets outpaced cancellations during the second quarter of 2009 — a sign that the business-jet market may be stabilizing.


http://www.ajc.com/business/furlough...or-107703.html

 

[LJ45]

It's all Obama/Dems fault.....gimme a break.

Crap like this has been going on for many...many years. Apparently just now are a few of you are waking up to that fact. Reminds me of the county idiot cop that runs 120 mph to the wreck that happened an hour ago.

The two big pushers were from GA - one a (D), one a (R). They can now put in the their re-election litature that they brought 200M in commerce to the state and saved X-number of jobs.

I hope you don't work for a health care company, or whatever the next target is. :erm:

 

[sydeseet]

There are 22 G550's advertised on controller.com. None of these, available at a significant discount versus placing a new order, will do????????:uzi:

I'm glad that G & SAV picked up some business, however the timing is horrible. I also read that NOT replacing Marine One is going to cost over $5 billions dollars worth of R & D and cancellation expenses.

Big money got no soul.........

 

[peter185]

I would guess the $15 million above list price is for all the modifications for the secret stuff onboard.

 

[cjdriver]

Hey, if Bush can give the banks billions, Obama can BUY a few American made jets. They need to buy more and ask all corporations to do the same.

 

[sydeseet]

I would guess the $15 million above list price is for all the modifications for the secret stuff onboard.

Sadly true........

I have flown plenty of congressmen/women, as well as cabinet members, on numerous charter aircraft, none of which had any type of encrypted communication's devices. Heck, we didn't even have a flight phone or DVD player on the King Airs.

 

[LJ45]

I would guess the $15 million above list price is for all the modifications for the secret stuff onboard.

it could also include some extra support items, i.e. parts, maintenance etc.

 

[GVFlyer]

I have flown plenty of congressmen/women, as well as cabinet members, on numerous charter aircraft, none of which had any type of encrypted communication's devices. Heck, we didn't even have a flight phone or DVD player on the King Airs.

The Army and Air Force C-37As are identical extensively modified jets. One of the features that each includes is a "White House" communications suite contained in a separate cabin manned by a specially qualified operator.

Generally, these quoted costs include "Contractor Logistic Support".




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[GVFlyer]

Hey, if Bush can give the banks billions, Obama can BUY a few American made jets. They need to buy more and ask all corporations to do the same.

Apparently, you weren't paying attention. The Obama administration told corporations to sell jets, not buy them.

 

[LJ45]

Apparently, you weren't paying attention. The Obama administration told corporations to sell jets, not buy them.

you are correct. He would rather bash Bush, which has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

 

[chuckthepilot]

Looks like they may have dropped it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32366094/ns/politics

 

[AA717driver]

In a related story: House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, has introduced legislation that would give certain "Indispensable Members of Government" priority for travel on Government aircraft.

Their priority would place them ahead of the Air Force brass who now do the majority of the flying on the aircraft. Much of the Air Force travel is related to Issues Abroad--formerly known as the Global War on Terror.

Speaker Pelosi could not be reached for comment.








uke:
TC

 

[johnsonrod]

A bunch of hypocrites....

It's funny how so many pilots who are union-lovers/supporters are now turning on Obama who has done everything he can to support unions (i.e., GM/Chrysler). Obama's economic policies are downright hostile toward aviation in general as fewer people will have discretionary income to spend on trips and luxuries. The potential 50-60% tax rate (including all taxes) for the highest income level would place the US above all but three European countries in terms of tax rates - you can't tell me that won't impact spending on aviation.

Well, anyone who voted for Obama should know that you GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR and you are officially a Socialist. I hope you feel good about that... Think about the implications of your vote next time - 2010 (and 2012) is not too far away.

 

[LJ45]

It's funny how so many pilots who are union-lovers/supporters are now turning on Obama who has done everything he can to support unions (i.e., GM/Chrysler). Obama's economic policies are downright hostile toward aviation in general as fewer people will have discretionary income to spend on trips and luxuries. The potential 50-60% tax rate (including all taxes) for the highest income level would place the US above all but three European countries in terms of tax rates - you can't tell me that won't impact spending on aviation.

Well, anyone who voted for Obama should know that you GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR and you are officially a Socialist. I hope you feel good about that... Think about the implications of your vote next time - 2010 (and 2012) is not too far away.

perfectly said !!

 

[cjdriver]

The dow is up 50% since Obama took over, I've made more money on the market in the last six months than in the previous 8 years. We're almost out of Iraq, working on Afghanistan, oil is down to where it shoud be, and Obama is funding new alternative energy solutions. Health care is about to get fixed, and the criminals that tortured in our name will be punished soon. Thank God a dem is back in the White House.

 

[cjdriver]

Test.

 

[BoilerUP]

The dow is up 50% since Obama took over, I've made more money on the market in the last six months than in the previous 8 years. We're almost out of Iraq, working on Afghanistan, oil is down to where it shoud be, and Obama is funding new alternative energy solutions. Health care is about to get fixed, and the criminals that tortured in our name will be punished soon. Thank God a dem is back in the White House.

That's terrible flamebait.

 

[cjdriver]

Agreed, I've been in a good mood lately.

 

[johnsonrod]

Hey CJdriver,

Good for you. You should hold on to that cash while you have it. Have you considered what Obama's $trillion deficit-spending will do to your taxes, the US dollar and inflation in the future? Nobody will escape higher taxes and you will have less money to spend in the future. Better start playing Powerball...

If you voted for Obama, thank you for contributing to the downfall of capitalism and the dawn of SOCIALISM in America. People will need to work much harder just to keep the same quality of life. That should make you feel great.

Big questions: why won't Obama post the "latest" healthcare bill (passed by the Democratic House) on the Internet for all to see right now? What happened to Obama's promise to be more "transparent"? Why can't voters actually analyze the bill and make up their own minds? Can't they post it during this month's congressional recess? What are the Democrats trying to hide????

 

[cjdriver]

Hey CJdriver,

Good for you. You should hold on to that cash while you have it. Have you considered what Obama's $trillion deficit-spending will do to your taxes, the US dollar and inflation in the future? Nobody will escape higher taxes and you will have less money to spend in the future. Better start playing Powerball...

If you voted for Obama, thank you for contributing to the downfall of capitalism and the dawn of SOCIALISM in America. People will need to work much harder just to keep the same quality of life. That should make you feel great.

Big questions: why won't Obama post the "latest" healthcare bill (passed by the Democratic House) on the Internet for all to see right now? What happened to Obama's promise to be more "transparent"? Why can't voters actually analyze the bill and make up their own minds? Can't they post it during this month's congressional recess? What are the Democrats trying to hide????

I guess I'm hoping for a Clinton redux, those were good years for me financially, and for the country too for that matter. A democratic president and a republican legislature managed to reign in spending and produce a budget surplus for the first time in forever. While at the same time governing over the biggest bull market in forever. It can be done.
In regards to Obama posting a bill proposed by the legislative branch, that would not be proper protocol, it's not his to post. Also, he's smart enough to distance himself from it so that once it get's passed, he can claim victory for getting it done, while still bashing it's shortcomings. Very smart guy this president.

 

[johnsonrod]

I guess I'm hoping for a Clinton redux, those were good years for me financially, and for the country too for that matter. A democratic president and a republican legislature managed to reign in spending and produce a budget surplus for the first time in forever. While at the same time governing over the biggest bull market in forever. It can be done.
In regards to Obama posting a bill proposed by the legislative branch, that would not be proper protocol, it's not his to post. Also, he's smart enough to distance himself from it so that once it get's passed, he can claim victory for getting it done, while still bashing it's shortcomings. Very smart guy this president.

I don't care who posts the bill - just post it. Not posting it (as more changes are being made) just creates more anxiety among the people who will be most impacted - the elderly and the small business owners who may not be able to afford coverage for employees (hence leading to layoffs). I just want people to be aware that no significant information or detail is being shared with the masses... That's a problem.

 

[AA717driver]

Re: "Union lovers/supporters".

Let's be very clear on this--The Obama Administration doesn't give a $h!t about union members. The UAW rank and file got NOTHING out of this deal that they couldn't have gotten from a straight Ch.11. The UAW management got bailed out of the medical/retirement issue by receiving equity in the "new GM" that they can turn and fund the medical (which will eventually be dumped on the Gov't. health plan anyway) and retirement.

The SEIU is the only other union to benefit from the administration and their members don't directly benefit, just the management as the ranks stand to swell with all the hospitals sure to go union for their unskilled help (and possibly non-MD staff) once the Gov't. takes over. That is in return for providing additional ground troops to ACORN for the looming battles.

The rest of the union members out here are still up $h!t creek as before.

TC