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xcr600

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Mesa Leads USA in Canceled Flights. Mesa Airlines canceled the highest percentage of flights in January, the latest month the statistics are available from the federal Bureau of Transportation Statistics. The carrier, which operates regional flights for Delta, United and US Airways, scrubbed 4.2% of its scheduled flights for the month. The second-worst mark went to Delta affiliate Atlantic Southeast, which canceled 3.1% of its flights. Rounding out the bottom five: American affiliate American Eagle (3%), Alaska Air (2.9%) and Delta affiliate Comair (2.2%).



Look it up if you want the source
 
Haha, i was about to copy that to a new thread. you must have checked your email 5 mins before me..
Mesa ROX, its just like a highschool economics graph, cost goes down so does quality.
 
You've got to be careful when comparing regional airlines' ontime statistics to their mainline counterparts. Routinely regional flights will be cancelled to open a slot for a mainline flight when the weather gets bad at busy airports. LGA, PHL, JFK, and ATL all see this happen. On-time statistics see this as well, but they're much less susceptible.
 
Snecma said:
You've got to be careful when comparing regional airlines' ontime statistics to their mainline counterparts. Routinely regional flights will be cancelled to open a slot for a mainline flight when the weather gets bad at busy airports. LGA, PHL, JFK, and ATL all see this happen. On-time statistics see this as well, but they're much less susceptible.
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Maybe at Mesa but not at the 2 regionals I have worked at...
 
you get what you pay for. If you weren paid the lowest of all those in your industry, had 8 days off a month and didn't get paid block or better, would you care when the hell you blocked in? Dont think so.
 
News Flash

Mesa is not an airline.

Nor are nearly all of the Regional jet providers.

Dosen't sell tickets, dosen't market its product to the unwashed masses, dosen't have loyalty programs, dosen't control it's own schedules, etc . . . . (at least we own the aircraft, eh Mesaba/Coex?, but that's a "mixed" blessing at best)


Mesa might have a billion in revenue, and it might have an airline operating certificate, but it has no business being grouped in a government list reporting airline performance numbers.

IMOHO.

(and I still wear the wind breaker . . . spit on me if you like . . .it's waterproof!)
 
Soverytired said:
Mesa might have a billion in revenue, and it might have an airline operating certificate, but it has no business being grouped in a government list reporting airline performance numbers.

IMOHO.

(and I still wear the wind breaker . . . spit on me if you like . . .it's waterproof!)
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Tell the pax you fly that MESA should be grouped into a goverment list of reporting numbers! Freakin Moron.
 
Soverytired said:
I tip both my hat and my middle finger in salute.
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Indicating the number of vertebrae left in your spine.

Bravo, sir. BravISSIMO!
 
relief tube said:
you get what you pay for. If you weren paid the lowest of all those in your industry, had 8 days off a month and didn't get paid block or better, would you care when the hell you blocked in? Dont think so.
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Where do you get this "wealth "of information about Mesa, and are you talking about 8 days off for a line holder or reserve?
 
Soverytired said:
Mesa is not an airline.

Nor are nearly all of the Regional jet providers.

Dosen't sell tickets, dosen't market its product to the unwashed masses, dosen't have loyalty programs, dosen't control it's own schedules, etc . . . . (at least we own the aircraft, eh Mesaba/Coex?, but that's a "mixed" blessing at best)


Mesa might have a billion in revenue, and it might have an airline operating certificate, but it has no business being grouped in a government list reporting airline performance numbers.

IMOHO.

(and I still wear the wind breaker . . . spit on me if you like . . .it's waterproof!)
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I promiss you, your company dosen't own your aircraft(maybe one or two) you lease them like everyone else. UPS and NWA(DC9's) are the only companies that own a large amount of aircraft.
 
SpacemanSpiff said:
xcr600,

I am curious about your source for this "statistic". Sounds like another piece of Mesa bashing flamebait (you guys are on a ROLL lately), but I will try to give you the benefit of any doubt.

All I could find on the subject was Mesa's January traffic press release which talks about controllable (weather cancellations not included) completion rate.

http://tools.thestreet.com/tsc/quotes.html?pg=qcn&guid={F6BEE6A7-2876-4632-9F98-C81FA9F110CB}&symb=mesa&sid=3104&orig=1&timer=
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My source = company email
besides it looks like your wonderfull company won even more flying, what is the pay scale for the dash anyhow? Ya I could look it up but it would be more fun to have it posted here for us all to laugh at.
 
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So just what is your source?

Company email? Which company and where did they get the info? The press release that I linked to says that CONTROLLABLE completion rate was 99%. We could argue the veracity of that figure, but at least I have a source for my info. Again, I am not calling you a liar. I just think it would be more constructive if you would offer a source.

Actually, the worst part of our pay is not the rates - at least for senior guys like myself IMHO. It is the lack of duty or trip rigs. The rates for all FOs and junior CAs need improvement. There is much work to do in the next contract and those negotiations begin next year. No one knows this better than us. Thanks for your concern.;)
 
The CR9s are leased from Wells Fargo.

Mesa falls at the bottom of the priority list for every slot time at a major airport, this is part of our agreement with our codeshares. Is it that difficult to believe that cancelling an MKE-ORD will prevent airborne holding of an international 777? I don't think any of you have any idea how the system works, so when we cancel a ton of flights (at the request of United I may add...believe me, we would be the LAST people to cancel a flight on our own) don't you think we could be cancelling a DSM-ORD for Skywest to bring their nice shiny 700 in?

You people are out of control. You can spit on my wind breaker too.
 
I found it for you

I'll help you make your point. Here is the source - the Bureau of Transportation Statistics.

http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2006/dot037_06/html/dot037_06.html

So if we follow the logic of somebody like Mr. Relief Tube -

you get what you pay for. If you weren paid the lowest of all those in your industry,
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Those statistics also talk about ASA and Eagle coming in second and third worst in cancellations. What do those numbers say about those guys? JetBlue, Alaska and ASA were the worst in on-time performance. Those guys must all suck too, right?

had 8 days off a month
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Reserve pilots get a minimum of 8 days off per bid period (which is 4 weeks for us), not per month. Splitting hairs, but further proof that you ARE a relief tube and are spraying nonsense everywhere.

and didn't get block or better, would you care when the hell you blocked in?
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Finally, you got 1 thing correct - YEA! Congratulations! We do not get block or better. We need to change that in the next contract. But what does blocking in have to do with the cancellation rate? I am failing to understand your "logic";). I mean if you cancel there is no blocking out or in, right? RIGHT?
 
SpacemanSpiff said:
I'll help you make your point. Here is the source - the Bureau of Transportation Statistics.

http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2006/dot037_06/html/dot037_06.html

So if we follow the logic of somebody like Mr. Relief Tube -


Those statistics also talk about ASA and Eagle coming in second and third worst in cancellations. What do those numbers say about those guys? JetBlue, Alaska and ASA were the worst in on-time performance. Those guys must all suck too, right?


Reserve pilots get a minimum of 8 days off per bid period (which is 4 weeks for us), not per month. Splitting hairs, but further proof that you ARE a relief tube and are spraying nonsense everywhere.

Finally, you got 1 thing correct - YEA! Congratulations! We do not get block or better. We need to change that in the next contract. But what does blocking in have to do with the cancellation rate? I am failing to understand your "logic";). I mean if you cancel there is no blocking out or in, right? RIGHT?
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You're an F'ing moron. A more concerned pilot would come back with, "yea, things are run substandard here at Mesa and unless things change send the me the strike ballot ASAP." Instead you defend this pathetic contract of yours as if 8-9 days off a month of reserve was no big deal when just about everyone else has 11 off a month for reserves. One example out of hundreds. So go out there and be Ornstein's boyfriend (insert Brokeback Mountain joke) and take it. Just quit telling us you like it; it's not a pleasant thought.
 
Fly2Scuba said:
You're an F'ing moron. A more concerned pilot would come back with, "yea, things are run substandard here at Mesa and unless things change send the me the strike ballot ASAP." Instead you defend this pathetic contract of yours as if 8-9 days off a month of reserve was no big deal when just about everyone else has 11 off a month for reserves. One example out of hundreds. So go out there and be Ornstein's boyfriend (insert Brokeback Mountain joke) and take it. Just quit telling us you like it; it's not a pleasant thought.
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Agree. He is obviously proud of Mesa. Look at his avatar. That CRJ 900 is sweet! It's so big too. It makes me sick to see people defend Mesa.
 
What a joke. I sympathize with the vast majority of Mesa pilots but every once in a while you get a total tool box who spouts off about how "it's not really that bad". Why do I see so many of you guys jumping ship only tos start over at the bottom of OTHER REGIONALS then?
 
Fly2Scuba said:
You're an F'ing moron. A more concerned pilot would come back with, "yea, things are run substandard here at Mesa and unless things change send the me the strike ballot ASAP." Instead you defend this pathetic contract of yours as if 8-9 days off a month of reserve was no big deal when just about everyone else has 11 off a month for reserves. One example out of hundreds. So go out there and be Ornstein's boyfriend (insert Brokeback Mountain joke) and take it. Just quit telling us you like it; it's not a pleasant thought.
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Why don't you guys stop telling everyone how much Mesa sucks over and over again and about their crappy contract, it is extremely repetitive and boring.I think everyone gets the point by now
 
Since when was correct inaccuracies considered "defending"? Mesa overthrew their MEC not too long ago. There's a lot of PO'ed pilots there that want a good contract.
 
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excuse me?

Fly2Scuba said:
You're an F'ing moron. A more concerned pilot would come back with, "yea, things are run substandard here at Mesa and unless things change send the me the strike ballot ASAP." Instead you defend this pathetic contract of yours as if 8-9 days off a month of reserve was no big deal when just about everyone else has 11 off a month for reserves. One example out of hundreds. So go out there and be Ornstein's boyfriend (insert Brokeback Mountain joke) and take it. Just quit telling us you like it; it's not a pleasant thought.
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I would not call it defend so much as explain and correct. If you read my post carefully you will see that I say that we must make improvements in the next contract. If you search other posts I have written I say the same thing. EVERY moron, especially you, knows that we need to improve our contract. It does not take a genius to figure that out.

When you guys shoot your mouths off and get your facts wrong I will probably let you know about it. I am sure you would do the same for me.

As I am about 25 years removed from Jr High I will not respond to your brokeback comments. You might want to think about growing up and thinking like an adult though.

And about my avatar...why do you care? I am certainly not the only person on this site with a picture of the airplane that they currently operate, am I?
 
here's the expert...

Alchemy said:
What a joke. I sympathize with the vast majority of Mesa pilots but every once in a while you get a total tool box who spouts off about how "it's not really that bad". Why do I see so many of you guys jumping ship only tos start over at the bottom of OTHER REGIONALS then?
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I love it when 2000 hour wonder pilots preach to me.:rolleyes:

I never said "it's not really that bad", you did.

I make a choice not to walk around b!tching and moaning about how life is so unfair, or if only the CEO would just think about poor little me and give me a raise and some decent work rules. I try to rise above all of that. Sometimes it is easier than others.
 
Yep, and since you just love to bend over and take it I guess it's okay if the rest of us have to eat a turd sandwich because of it. It doesn't even take a "2000 hr wonder pilot" to figure this one out. I'll be sure and tell my Ex-Mesa co-workers what great times they're missing under JO's leadership.
 
Alchemy said:
Yep, and since you just love to bend over and take it I guess it's okay if the rest of us have to eat a turd sandwich because of it. It doesn't even take a "2000 hr wonder pilot" to figure this one out. I'll be sure and tell my Ex-Mesa co-workers what great times they're missing under JO's leadership.
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You must be wholly owned, so when big brother mainline takes it first then you are the one getting bent over by them. other regionals have no effect on your situation, try blaming your mainline company before you bash other regionals saying it is their fault that you are taking concessions, furloughs and whatever else .
 
I don't blame Mesa Pilots at all, as I realize that most of you (them) are unhappy with your situation. I work for what's commonly considered a "decent regional" (I guess) and of course the pay is still cr@ppy, it's still a regional after all. The point is, Mesa is the cheapest of the cheap, and the statistics show that you get what you pay for....to deny that is a bit delusional, and it comes off in poor taste I must say.

Like I said, I don't hold it against Mesa Pilots. I've got the courage to admit that I probably would've gone to Mesa out of pure ignorance if they'd been the first to call me back when I was applying for jobs at this level. I was under the impression that all regionals were equally crappy. However as we all know, there are varying degrees of misery at all players in the regional industry. I'm just glad I was lucky enough some of the worst, unfortunately the misery is spreading like cancer......

Now Spaceman Spiff, I don't blame you for trying to correct inaccuracies about your contract, and good luck on your next round of negotiations. For all our sakes, I hope you gain some ground. Also, thanks for pointing out my total time. I know it must seem like a lot compared to the 250 hr MAPD graduates you get to sit next to sometimes.
 

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