Will SWA and AT truly merge?

[redflyer65]

Why do the pilots at southwest believe they should be given something in this deal? Don't you already have the pay and benefits that will be dispensed to the AT pilot group. So in essence you dont want the AT pilots to be your equals you want to be treated "better" than them?
There seems to be a sense from the SWA pilot group that something is getting taken away from them... I'm trying to figure out what your precieved loss is.
Do you feel that everytime your company spends money you should get something from it? I.e. company bought some new tugs... what is in it for me?.
Seems to be a bit of greed and envy in the work force....i.e. those AT pilots are getting presents for christmas, where is my present. ME ME ME.

IMHO don't even try negotiating just take it to arbitration and save months of stalemated negotiations.

En Mort Main

So if Airtran bought Mesa tomorrow, you'd be OK with them getting full realitive seniority and increasing their pay, QOL, and everything else your better contract might give them? Wouldn't that be a windfall for them?

This has nothing to do with what the company spends it's money on.

 

[texman]

No, I think he, (along with the rest of us), is tired of listening to all the SWA bubbas cry "ME, ME, ME", all day long. You guys should read En Mort Main's posts again for a little dose of reality.

See all you "brothers" on the line.

It's not crying, just pride. AT girls and guys are the same. You guy's have to be part of the list by law, not because you deserve it. Just think if the law didn't apply what would happen then.

Now let's take this ten years from now. SWA+AT= great company to work for. We buy Delta. Where should we be in relationship to that list? They law will apply. Do we deserve to be on top or bottom? I think you just see both side showing a lot of pride and fear, thats all. Hell Delta might buy us.

 

[texman]

Mr. Main is just trying to get people pizzzzed off. He doesn't even know. FI is a website of 60% b-atching, 20% bull shizz, and 20% good facts.

 

[dicko]

It's not crying, just pride. AT girls and guys are the same. You guy's have to be part of the list by law, not because you deserve it. Just think if the law didn't apply what would happen then.

Now let's take this ten years from now. SWA+AT= great company to work for. We buy Delta. Where should we be in relationship to that list? They law will apply. Do we deserve to be on top or bottom? I think you just see both side showing a lot of pride and fear, thats all. Hell Delta might buy us.

Tex,

Since you're talking about the bottom of a seniority list and fear; Care to share just how close you are to the bottom of SWA's list and what you hope to gain in seniority from AirTran ?

I'm guessing that you are around the bottom 3 % at SWA. About a year and a half ? It is interesting when you talk about what people "deserve".

 

[texman]

Ok Dicko,

You are a person with a number that only gives you rights per tenure. You are a number right? It is only here lately that the M/B gives you and me the right to a fair and equitable integration of a seniority list.

So take your self out of the pilot position. If you were a manager at AT where do stand then? Who deserves what? Can you tell me your story, and what you think you deserve.

Yes, I have been with the company about three years. How about you? I assume you are a captain?

I don't know what to gain from AT in relationship to seniority. What I do know from a people stand point, we will gain some good people.

From a business stand point we should feel lucky to have A/M and B/M in place. Buy or be bought. If that was not in place, how would you tell the company that is buying you what you deserve? Think from a business stand point for a second.

 

[General Lee]

This is what I find most amazing about the whole process..

Prior to September, we had more than a few AAI pilots begging for a Southwest purchase and staple. (and I understand that after the AAI management beat down)

Now? They want it all. 80 percent pay increase with realitive seniority and the major increase in QOL that the Southwest contract brings. Not to mention company stability.

Kinda leaves one dumbfounded.

Again, what's in the deal for the Southwest pilots? Bueller?

Red,

What you are forgetting is that the people who want this done are Gary Kelly, and Wall St. They are the ones steering the ship. If they don't want to capsize it, they will make everyone equal. The DL pilots did NOT get much in return for a merger with NWA (a 5% initial raise) compared to the NWA guys, but DL did turn more profitable from the synergies, and SWA will too. At the end of the day, you will have a stronger airline, and that is good for everyone there. And, Aribtrators will decide the SLI, not SWAPA. Your lawyers and AT's lawyers will give their cases, and then you will find out your fate a few weeks or months later. That is the way it goes.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jonjuan]

Red,

What you are forgetting is that the people who want this done are Gary Kelly, and Wall St. They are the ones steering the ship. If they don't want to capsize it, they will make everyone equal. The DL pilots did NOT get much in return for a merger with NWA (a 5% initial raise) compared to the NWA guys, but DL did turn more profitable from the synergies, and SWA will too. At the end of the day, you will have a stronger airline, and that is good for everyone there. And, Aribtrators will decide the SLI, not SWAPA. Your lawyers and AT's lawyers will give their cases, and then you will find out your fate a few weeks or months later. That is the way it goes.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Red needs to read this over and over and over. Then maybe she'll "get it."

 

[Dan Roman]

So if Airtran bought Mesa tomorrow, you'd be OK with them getting full realitive seniority and increasing their pay, QOL, and everything else your better contract might give them? Wouldn't that be a windfall for them?

This has nothing to do with what the company spends it's money on.

I'm missing something here. AirTran and SWA are both the same type of operation. Mesa is a regional feeder operation. Apples and oranges?

 

[ivauir]

Am I the only one that think this "Ty Webb" is not going to be happy working for Southwest?

I'm worried that he is representative of the AT pilots or their union leadership.

If so, rough times are ahead. Imagine 1700 pilots who can't be happy after a 50% raise!

 

[funnyman12]

50% raise means nothing if you get furloughed! A staple is unfair for the obvious reason that a 10% furlough at the new airline would result in half of the airtran guys losing their job. Aka TWA. If Airtran was not profitable there may me a tini argument in your staple thought.