Will Spirit Survive if they WalK?

[ualdriver]

From the outside, it must look pretty silly for us to be striking in the current economy and job situation.

Not to me it doesn't. The way you guys are being treated is inane. The only thing management teams like yours (and mine) understand is a strike.

 

[Anonymous2]

What are the chances if the pilots walk the company will survive?

Why did the MEC specifically ask for other carriers to pick up there flying if they go out, and this flying would not be considered struck work? Is this not certain death to Spirit? Is this what the pilot group wants or just the MEC?

How many times has ALPA been sucessful in a strike? How many times have they failed?

Flame away, but I think all valid questions and not meant as flame bait.

Maybe survival should be something that is considered before anyone WalKs.

 

[pilotyip]

Like EAL

Maybe survival should be something that is considered before anyone WalKs.

From reading enigma's post, it is almost that either they want to fix it or put it out of it's misery. They are fully aware of the consequences. Almost like the EAL guys when they walked in 1989. Like I said before if I was a Spirit pilot in my mid 50's I would be worried.

 

[8v8tr]

Well Said Enigma. I hope you guys are able to get what you want and MGMT knows this and does what is best for the company as a whole and not just there egos...(sp)

 

[enigma]

Well Said Enigma. I hope you guys are able to get what you want and MGMT knows this and does what is best for the company as a whole and not just there egos...(sp)

The real irony here is that the pilots would have settled for a small wage increase (compared to the industry) back in 2006 when negotiations began. The ALPA surveys showed a desire for pay, pay, and pay, but the expected increase was fairly small. All most of us wanted was to be able to continue the flying club we used to have and to get a little more cash.

But the company wasn't smart enough to do a deal when they had a happy pilot group and friendly union leadership. Now they must deal with a group that just want's to see the company feel the same pain that they've inflicted on the pilot group.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Back in the old days before de-reg there was a pact called "Mutual Aid". This provided income to airlines that were shut down by employees on strike. If the employees at ABC Airlines went on strike and the load factor on XYZ Air went up, some of the revenue from the increased load factor at XYZ Air flowed back to ABC Airlines. This gave the shut down airline a source of revenue to allow them to let the employees stay out on strike a longer time. It gave a balance to both management and union to reach a reasonable contract. When mutual aid went away, it gave the unions a much stronger hand. The highly leveraged airline could not stay in business with a stop in cash flow for any extended period. This lead to shorter strikes, and contracts company would prefer not to enter. Elimination of this aid may have been good for the employee in the short term, but is has been detrimental to the airline industry in the long run.

11-26-2004
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=43652&highlight=mutual+aid

cut and paste your old thoughts......

you posted this 6 years ago......!!!

 

[say again]

11-26-2004
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=43652&highlight=mutual+aid

cut and paste your old thoughts......

you posted this 6 years ago......!!!

I guess he still believes it.

Did you really search this?! Or just remember he posted it?

 

[GogglesPisano]

Who would have thought Yip knew how to cut and paste. Or did he recall from memory?

Do you think he can text?

 

[pilotyip]

texkig?

Who would have thought Yip knew how to cut and paste. Or did he recall from memory?

Do you think he can text?

Hey it fits, so it should be shared an important part of airline history that many may not be aware of. TEXT do you have to know how to speel for that? ha ha

 

[GogglesPisano]

Say what you will about Yip. But at the very least he is a good sport. :beer:

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hey it fits, so it should be shared an important part of airline history that many may not be aware of. TEXT do you have to know how to speel for that? ha ha

To be fair to FI users, they should find information and history on Mutual Aid in Hard Landing by Petzger (sp).......

 

[pilotyip]

To be fair to FI users, they should find information and history on Mutual Aid in Hard Landing by Petzger (sp).......

Yea I only lived through it and had my reserve buddies who had been mutually aided by NWA and Nyrope (sp?) in the 70's tell me about it on those long non-stops to Purto Rico. They might be in the book.

 

[CosmoKramer]

Spot on Enigma-

Can you imagine anybody scabbing for a place like this?!? Some people are worried about the 50 year oldish pilots scabbing and some are worried about the youngish FO who think they will be lured by the left seat carrot. I say anybody that does scabs for this place has more than a few screws loose.

and nobody with a IQ over 10 wants to shut the doors of a place that makes almost $300,000 per day in PROFIT with 28 airplanes.

 

[ualdriver]

To be fair to FI users, they should find information and history on Mutual Aid in Hard Landing by Petzger (sp).......

And Flying the Line!

 

[8v8tr]

Aviation Week article may be of interest to some.....

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/avd/2010/05/19/02.xml&headline=Spirit%20Warns%20Of%20Permanent%20Shutdown&channel=comm&?WT.mc_id=twitter_aviationweek