Will Republic Survive?

[BushTheIdiot]

The upper brass COULD CARE LESS who flies their domestic (and eventually international) routes.

Or COULDN'T CARE LESS, even.

 

[BoilerUP]

I couldn't give a carp less if they survive or not.

What about a catfish, or a tasty seabass?

 

[$$$4nothin]

For those who have not looked at the MKE route structure recently you should before you say SWA or Airtran is going to run RAH out. Last time I checked (yesterday) SWA competes with RAH on 2 routes out of MKE. Not exactly a game changer.

Airtran competes on quite a few more, but they are also competeing heavily with Delta on the ATL markets. I also don't think the Airtran guys want to talk about how they have outsourced there flying on many competeing routes to SkyWest. Sore subject I know.

Everyone hates RAH. I get that. Does anyone really blame anyone other than Management though. Every pilot goes to work and tries to make it in this F'd up industry just like the next guy while management messes with all our lives.

 

[GuppyWN]

The real battle is going to continue in Denver.

Gup

 

[maxblast72]

Airtran competes on quite a few more, but they are also competeing heavily with Delta on the ATL markets. I also don't think the Airtran guys want to talk about how they have outsourced there flying on many competeing routes to SkyWest. Sore subject I know.

Airtran is growing in MKE without adding new airplanes to the fleet by moving some of the ATL airplanes up to MKE. While Airtran has held their own in ATL against Delta over the last 10 years, Fornaro obviously feels there are more profits to be had in MKE over the long run than trying to grow more in Delta's main hub as evidenced by the airplane shift.

Skywest is actually using their own money in helping Airtran compete with Republic. Airtran is paying Skywest nothing to fly the CRJs to 6 cities. Some of these cities weren't served by Airtran previously from MKE (OMA, DSM, and CAK). The other cities had 1 or 2 flights a day, hardly enough frequency to really attract business customers. If customers ride strictly on Skywest, Skywest gets the money. If the customer rides on Skywest and Airtran, the revenue is split between the two companies. Skywest is paying for all their fuel and Skywest is going to eat all the start up costs of the new routes. This gives Airtran a no risk way to grow MKE and frees up airplanes to start service like DFW-MKE and to other cities Airtran has announced recently. So Republic has to compete with the combined resources of Airtran, Southwest, and Skywest in MKE. Not an easy task.

Everyone hates RAH. I get that. Does anyone really blame anyone other than Management though. Every pilot goes to work and tries to make it in this F'd up industry just like the next guy while management messes with all our lives.

I don't hate Republic. I used to fly for Shuttle when they had Saabs and still have friends there. I don't blame Bedford for buying Midwest or Frontier at firesale prices. If you want to put blame somewhere, I say point it at Frontier management for running their airline into bankruptcy or at Midwest management for running their airline into the ground. Bedford has taken Republic in an interesting direction. It will be interesting to see if they become the next Indepedence Air or find a way to become the next major airline (using the $1 Billion/yr in branded revenue metric).

 

[EMBPILOT1]

AA's contract does not allow anyone other than eagle to operate any jet with more than 50 seats. CHQ was paying AA a fine of several hundred thousand dollars per month when the Yonited 170's first arrived, hence the abrupt purchase of S5 to get around that contract violation.

And that is why contracts are not FOREVER! Contracts end, and re-negotiated all the time. AA contract may not allow this now, but you can bet your a$$ that little clause can disappear in a blink of an eye.

 

[jetalc]

I couldn't give a carp less if they survive or not.

Really, Wes? Then why post? How you doin', Buddy? I will tell you - I care. Gots dat mortgage y'know...

 

[Wesb737fo]

Oooops! I forgot. dang. I guess I do care. I'm good man. Overworked and underpaid....

 

[Captain Morgan]

Doesn't Republic own a bunch of slots in DCA that USAir uses? I can't remember if that's true or how many.

 

[SizzleChest]

I don't think tran will get mke. I think ultimately, swa will get mke. You may as well say rah is out, but to me, tran doesn't really have a place in this picture either. Swa may just let tran spend all the $$ to eliminate rah from mke, then they (swa) will pounce on tran. I could be wrong, after all its just speculation. Its just my view on the way things may play out.

SWA has two gates in MKE. RAH released all the gates around them. There is nowhere for them to expand. if they increase service, they increase their gate waits. PAX really hate that.

 

[luv2fly]

If they take delivery of the C-Series they will do more than survive, they will dominate.

Why? you ask:

Well they are getting the maintenance rights to the GTF for 15 years. That will be a huge revenue stream to float them in their lean times. If Boeing or Airbus add that engine to their airframes even more so. It will be worth billions.

A "revenue stream" thats funny. This type of move just slows the bleeding, but the fact is; they are still bleeding!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

die RAH just rot away...i wish nothin but the worst for ya

 

[jetalc]

die RAH just rot away...i wish nothin but the worst for ya

That's touching. Kinda made me cry a bit there. Ex-RAH, I take it?

 

[aewanabe]

Yuppyguppy has moved beyond his past flying RJs and therefore forgets from whence he came; I just wonder if he knows there are 3 CRJ-700s flying in UA paint for every E170. Nah.....

 

[sfomarc]

I wonder if other professions wish all the ill will that pilots seem to towards one another. No wonder this profession is heading down the toilet.

 

[GuppyWN]

Every business in operation wants to beat the competition. Every sports team wants to beat the other one.

It's a dog eat dog world boys. Always has been and always will be.

We just co-exist with professional courtesy and let the managers make the decisions.

Gup

 

[Whataburger]

10 years ago Chautauqua was a PFT operation with some beat-up J-Balls and a few scraggily Saabs. Look at them now!! In ten more years they'll be flying 500 seat double-decker Embrares around the world. The possibility of codesharing with Branson taking the E-6000 Spaceship to orbit is not out of the question. If past results guarantees future performance, Republic will continue to grow like a weed, and they will be around for a long time.

 

[dougdrvr]

10 years ago Chautauqua was a PFT operation with some beat-up J-Balls and a few scraggily Saabs. Look at them now!! In ten more years they'll be flying 500 seat double-decker Embrares around the world. The possibility of codesharing with Branson taking the E-6000 Spaceship to orbit is not out of the question. If past results guarantees future performance, Republic will continue to grow like a weed, and they will be around for a long time.

N0.......not when they keep treating people like this:

http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2010/03/08/daily48.htmlhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hfUcswDZSIIl7aiSXwr1Kl7loyQD9ECPON80

 

[dougdrvr]

Every business in operation wants to beat the competition. Every sports team wants to beat the other one.


Gup

Couldn't agree more, but most of us want to "win" by doing a better job, not by doing it for half what the competion does,

 

[UALRATT]

Every business in operation wants to beat the competition. Every sports team wants to beat the other one.

It's a dog eat dog world boys. Always has been and always will be.

We just co-exist with professional courtesy and let the managers make the decisions.

Gup

Believe me Gup, you're a professional contractor and just that. Tomorrow you might be seeking to sell your services elsewhere like any other player especially when you leave others to make the decisions. That dog you raise today might just be eating your lunch tomorrow. In this day and age the boardroom always have other ideas about getting to that coverted prize.