Will Pinnacle lose block hours to Compass?

[Hypoxik]

Just curious since ill be interviewing there in a couple weeks.

 

[AdamKooper]

Probably 80% sure of that. I'd also not take any jobe they offer you. Its a horrible place were at least 1/3 are PFTs from gulfstream. I'd go to Xjet if I were you, they truley are the best regional and the only one worth giving a damn about. They are #1 is everything from Contract to QOL to Upgrade to IQ of the pilots.

 

[Steveair]

Saw a lot of Red tail CRJ200's sitting in the desert in Tuscon the other day. I assume there Pinnacles?

 

[AdamKooper]

Saw a lot of Red tail CRJ200's sitting in the desert in Tuscon the other day. I assume THEY ARE Pinnacles?

Sorry

 

[kcdawg350]

Who's XJET?

 

[Hypoxik]

KC...you got to be joking.......180 out of our airspace!
XJET = XJT = Express Jet = Continental Express

The only thing is XJT is toying with my emotions! I keep getting the chance to update times, and possible interview dates, and then nothing back...

 

[Bushhatesyou]

It took me about a year to get hired at XJT... Seems that most alot of people goto PCL to get some 121 time and then move on to better places. Go with whoever hires you first.

 

[Going2Baja]

Probably 80% sure of that. I'd also not take any jobe they offer you. Its a horrible place were at least 1/3 are PFTs from gulfstream. I'd go to Xjet if I were you, they truley are the best regional and the only one worth giving a dang about. They are #1 is everything from Contract to QOL to Upgrade to IQ of the pilots.

Other than your Avatar your post is a waste of space. Where did you learn to type, spell, or speak English? Finish HS and then post, ok?

Baja.

 

[Svetti Grundel]

I'd go to Xjet if I were you, they truley are the best regional and the only one worth giving a dang about. They are #1 is everything from Contract to QOL to Upgrade to IQ of the pilots.

That must be some mighty fine koolaid, considering all the flying xjet just lost....

BTW I would love to hear where that 80% certainty comes from. Compass is being created to appease NWA pilots (furloughed guys get half the jobs created), take further advantage of a freshly gutted scope clause, and replace Avros and DC-9s that were being retired anyway. Although Pinnacles future is uncertain right now for other reasons, it's not losing the 50-seat flying to Compass. In fact, NWA has sent out RFPs for the 76-seat/two-class flying for which Compass may be created.

 

[Mesabi Miner]

What I want to know is why a Pinnacle FO in full uniform and with full Jepps, company manuals, etc was the main spokesperson for "Jet University" at the Michigan Institute of Aeronautics Career Fair at KYIP today... "Skip the CFI" he proclaimed to the high schoolers. This is THE way to get to the airlines. "Pinnacle will take you in a second!"

I also want to know why most of the significant regionals had booths and recruiters there yet Mesaba was a no-show...

MM

 

[WateryGrave]

Other than your Avatar your post is a waste of space. Where did you learn to type, spell, or speak English? Finish HS and then post, ok?

Baja.

That Houston sun must be getting to him. With a post like that you'd think he worked for B6 or something??

 

[Hypoxik]

Disregard my earlier comment about them toying with me....I just received the XJT interview on the 30th!

 

[AdamKooper]

What I want to know is why a Pinnacle FO in full uniform and with full Jepps, company manuals, etc was the main spokesperson for "Jet University" at the Michigan Institute of Aeronautics Career Fair at KYIP today... "Skip the CFI" he proclaimed to the high schoolers. This is THE way to get to the airlines. "Pinnacle will take you in a second!"

I also want to know why most of the significant regionals had booths and recruiters there yet Mesaba was a no-show...

MM

Because PCL is about 30-40% Gulfstream Trash. Jet university is being run by the old Gulfstream money grabber. He helped get those Gstreamers jobs and PCL and now they are helping him get people for CAT.

 

[PCL_128]

What I want to know is why a Pinnacle FO in full uniform and with full Jepps, company manuals, etc was the main spokesperson for "Jet University" at the Michigan Institute of Aeronautics Career Fair at KYIP today... "Skip the CFI" he proclaimed to the high schoolers. This is THE way to get to the airlines. "Pinnacle will take you in a second!"

You've gotta be kidding me! Remember the guy's name? PM if you want.

 

[AdamKooper]

^^^^^^^

Hypocracy at its finest.
Whenever PCL says he regreats going to Gstream I kinda have to laugh.
Its like the person who sued McDonalds getting millions saying she probably shouldn't have sued.

Well whoopdie-do I guess it doesn't matter since you've already profited for yourself at the expense of others or in your case 35 grand.

 

[regionaltard]

Will Pinnacle lose block hours to Compass?

A few things would have to happen. First, the senior guys at NW would have to push the junior folks under the bus in a doomed attempt to save their pensions. Next, the mainline pilots furloughed as a result would have to underbid Pinnacle to bring that flying over to Northwhip. Mainline pilots underbidding Regional pilots? That'll never happen, right?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

A few things would have to happen. First, the senior guys at NW would have to push the junior folks under the bus in a doomed attempt to save their pensions. Next, the mainline pilots furloughed as a result would have to underbid Pinnacle to bring that flying over to Northwhip. Mainline pilots underbidding Regional pilots? That'll never happen, right?

All depends if neal cohen wants to add another wing to his estate. Maybe he will dedicate in our honor, that'd be sweet.

 

[DoinTime]

All depends if neal cohen wants to add another wing to his estate. Maybe he will dedicate in our honor, that'd be sweet.

and if your lucky you'll get to mow his lawn on the weekends to make a little extra cash now that ends won't be meeting.

 

[kmox29]

I think that big ball of shiite that just rolled through NWA and has been flinging itself upon XJ for quite some time now, is what some of you guys at 9E have been smelling. Heads up boys.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Currently, the best US regional by far is Horizon. I tried, but no cigar.

Cliff
YIP

 

[JumpCaptain]

...I'd go to Xjet if I were you, they truley are the best regional and the only one worth giving a dang about. They are #1 is everything from Contract to QOL to Upgrade to IQ of the pilots.

Koopster-

Love the avatar and usually agree with your posts, but are you seriously claiming XJT's the #1 regional for upgrade?

Not even close, man.

 

[Detroitpilot22]

People seem to forget what compass exactly is. It is for aircraft 76 seats and HIGHER. PInnacle is in competition for everything 76 and lower. The only reason Compass wanted a crj on its fleet was to hold the certificate until they could take some 76 and higher planes early next year. Pinnacle might not look the same one year from today, but they are not going to lose that much flying to this compass thing.

 

[dondk]

What I want to know is why a Pinnacle FO in full uniform and with full Jepps, company manuals, etc was the main spokesperson for "Jet University" at the Michigan Institute of Aeronautics Career Fair at KYIP today... "Skip the CFI" he proclaimed to the high schoolers. This is THE way to get to the airlines. "Pinnacle will take you in a second!"

I also want to know why most of the significant regionals had booths and recruiters there yet Mesaba was a no-show...

MM

I want to hear this one too... Have a name.. please send it to me and we will "fix" it.

 

[Lear70]

People seem to forget what compass exactly is. It is for aircraft 76 seats and HIGHER. PInnacle is in competition for everything 76 and lower. The only reason Compass wanted a crj on its fleet was to hold the certificate until they could take some 76 and higher planes early next year. Pinnacle might not look the same one year from today, but they are not going to lose that much flying to this compass thing.

As much as you told me you were looking forward to saying, "I told you so", I'm NOT looking forward to telling you the same, but I'm betting I will here in about 6-8 months.

You are WRONG about Compass' 76-seat aircraft not affecting Pinnacle's flying. It's really very simple, I'll try to break it down for you.

1. 50 seat aircraft are MONEY LOSERS. The ONLY reason PCL makes money with them is because Northwest pays an absurdly high fee per departure. That's GOING to change when the RFP results are announced.

2. 50 seat aircraft are too small for some of the markets they serve; that's just a numbers FACT. Those markets are too small for a DC-9 or Airbus aircraft, so they need an aircraft with a reasonable CASM in a size that fits the market; enter the 76-seat RJ.

3. There are only so many markets that need service by Northwest and, when the 50-seat CRJ is a money-loser, there's absolutely no reason to keep it when you have a replacement aircraft for it that ISN'T a money-loser.

With every 76-seat aircraft that comes on property, either Mesaba will lose an Avro or Pinnacle will lose a 50- or 44- seater. The CRJ's will be put to pasture as Northwest takes block hours away in Pinnacle's higher-volume high-yield markets.

Not all of them will go away of course, but I'd bet you money it's going to be a double digit percentage.

 

[PCL_128]

People seem to forget what compass exactly is. It is for aircraft 76 seats and HIGHER. PInnacle is in competition for everything 76 and lower. The only reason Compass wanted a crj on its fleet was to hold the certificate until they could take some 76 and higher planes early next year. Pinnacle might not look the same one year from today, but they are not going to lose that much flying to this compass thing.

You aren't thinking it through enough. Remember, many of our routes really belong on a 70-90 seat aircraft. They've been putting our 50-seaters on those routes for years because they couldn't get scope released in order to outsource the flying to the size airplane they wanted. Now that's changed. They can move those routes to 76-seaters at Newco and cut back the 50-seat flying that they no longer need. Now that they have 76-seaters at their disposal, all of this expensive 50-seat flying doesn't serve much of a purpose anymore on many routes. The 50-seaters still have a niche, but it's a smaller niche than it was before the NWA guys allowed Newco.

Edit: Oops, looks like Lear70 beat me to it. Great minds think alike.

 

[pilotmejiaj]

That must be some mighty fine koolaid, considering all the flying xjet just lost.....

What flying did we (XJT) lose?

 

[wmudriver]

What flying did we (XJT) lose?

XJT lost 25% of their CAL flying...or did I miss something?
Kept 69 a/c but now where are they going?

I'd watch out at 9E, NWA likes to really give good cornholin's during anykind of negotiations. With the NWA TA ratified, things will start to get more interesting/painful here for all of us in Redtail-land soon.

 

[jobear]

It will all belong the Republic Airways Holdings (CHQ/SA/REP) soon so stop worrying.

 

[Detroitpilot22]

As much as you told me you were looking forward to saying, "I told you so", I'm NOT looking forward to telling you the same, but I'm betting I will here in about 6-8 months.

You are WRONG about Compass' 76-seat aircraft not affecting Pinnacle's flying. It's really very simple, I'll try to break it down for you.

1. 50 seat aircraft are MONEY LOSERS. The ONLY reason PCL makes money with them is because Northwest pays an absurdly high fee per departure. That's GOING to change when the RFP results are announced.

2. 50 seat aircraft are too small for some of the markets they serve; that's just a numbers FACT. Those markets are too small for a DC-9 or Airbus aircraft, so they need an aircraft with a reasonable CASM in a size that fits the market; enter the 76-seat RJ.

3. There are only so many markets that need service by Northwest and, when the 50-seat CRJ is a money-loser, there's absolutely no reason to keep it when you have a replacement aircraft for it that ISN'T a money-loser.

With every 76-seat aircraft that comes on property, either Mesaba will lose an Avro or Pinnacle will lose a 50- or 44- seater. The CRJ's will be put to pasture as Northwest takes block hours away in Pinnacle's higher-volume high-yield markets.

Not all of them will go away of course, but I'd bet you money it's going to be a double digit percentage.

If the 50 seat aircraft is out of style, tell that to skywest, Why don't they have to park theirs?

I will agree with you that our 50 seat airplanes are on some routes they shouldn't be on. But with this RFP, there is the potential for us to get some 70 seat airplanes as well. That is why i think we will be alright. If things go wrong, and we do lose a bunch of airplanes, i will get furloughed before you guys, and if that happens, I will admit that i was wrong, but I think we are ok. I was sceptical at first, but not anymore.

 

[Crizz]

But with this RFP, there is the potential for us to get some 70 seat airplanes as well. That is why i think we will be alright.

While XJ becomes a 49 saab outfit? You honestly think NWA would put all/most its RJ eggs in one basketcase of an airline called Pinnacle?

Thats some good stuff you're smokin. 9E FO's never cease to amaze me...