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I would submit that many of us on the forum are union pilots and as such our own personal self interests are closely tied to our unions abilities to represent us effectively. An analysis of McCain's record, when focused specifically on his opinions with regard to unions reflects that he has been adversarial to us. Those of us who have flown him also know that he has never displayed any love for pilots. I ask that each of you consider that a vote for this man is a vote for an anti-union agenda...

ALPA’s Presidential Questionnaire - John McCain’s Responses
On February 10, 2008, the John McCain 2008 presidential campaign advised ALPA’s
Government Affairs Department that the campaign’s policy is not to respond to presidential
questionnaires from organizations. This response came after ALPA’s repeated attempts since
September 13, 2007, to secure Senator McCain’s participation in the Association’s 2008
Presidential Questionnaire.
Senator McCain did, however, respond to ALPA’s presidential survey when he ran for President
in 2000. That survey was printed as a special insert in the February 2000 Air Line Pilot.
Realizing that ALPA members are interested in Senator McCain’s current presidential campaign and in the absence
of more current input, the decision was made to post his responses to the questions posed by ALPA in 2000.
Some of the issues are the same on both questionnaires and, despite the lapse of time, it is believed that the
Senator’s responses from 2000 may provide some insight for ALPA members on his positions on several issues
that affect professional airline pilots.
ALPA Survey of Presidential Candidates—2000
Q: Currently, U.S. law prohibits foreign interests from owning or controlling U.S. airlines. Do you believe this
policy should be (a) relaxed, (b) maintained, (c) strengthened or (d) eliminated?
John McCain: I believe this policy should be relaxed. Consistent with the goals of airline deregulation,
liberalized competition and entry in the market should enhance service and lower air fares. I have
sponsored legislation in the past that would increase the permissible level of foreign investment from
25 to 49 percent. The legislation included certain protections, however. The Department of
Transportation would approve such investments only after satisfying requirements about the
reciprocity of the home country of the foreign investor, the promotion of competition, and national
security concerns.
Q: Federal law allows companies to replace their employees who are on strike, seeking better working conditions
and improved wages and benefits. If elected, would you support or oppose changing the law so that employees
can strike without fear of permanently losing their jobs?
John McCain: I fully support the right of workers to express their grievances in the form of an orderly,
legal strike. Even so, when employees choose to take such steps, the law has always balanced the
rights of all concerned by providing employers certain rights. One of those has always been the right
of employers to hire replacement workers.
Q: Foreign airlines are currently prohibited by U.S. law from carrying revenue passengers between U.S. cities, a
practice known as cabotage. Do you believe this policy should be (a) relaxed, (b) maintained, (c) strengthened or
(d) eliminated.
John McCain: I believe that the U.S. policy on cabotage should be relaxed. Foreign airlines could
provide much needed competition on domestic airline routes, which would result in lower fares for
the benefit of consumers. Increased operations of foreign airlines in the U.S. would also promote
employment opportunities for U.S. citizens. Of course, the ability of foreign airlines to serve domestic
U.S. routes should be contingent on the reciprocity of the home countries of the foreign airlines. It is
worth noting that the impetus to relax the U.S. policy on cabotage has probably waned in recent
years, since foreign carriers have been granted the ability to codeshare with U.S. carriers on domestic
routes.
Q: Some managements have asserted that American labor law does not apply to airline flight crews employed by
U.S. airlines when the crews are based overseas or are working exclusively in foreign operations. Do you believe
U.S. citizens performing such jobs should be covered by U.S. labor laws?
John McCain: Before committing to a position, I would need to review additionally any proposal to
mandate legislatively that pilots flying overseas routes for U.S. carriers be covered by the Railway
Labor Act. I admit that I have concerns about the extraterritorial enforcement of U.S. law necessary
in this instance, which oftentimes invites retaliation that is harmful to consumers and company
employees alike.
 
I would submit that many of us on the forum are union pilots and as such our own personal self interests are closely tied to our unions abilities to represent us effectively. An analysis of McCain's record, when focused specifically on his opinions with regard to unions reflects that he has been adversarial to us. Those of us who have flown him also know that he has never displayed any love for pilots. I ask that each of you consider that a vote for this man is a vote for an anti-union agenda...

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Valid points, but remember that the great Clinton(D)stopped the American Airlines Pilots strike after 19 minutes.

So the Dems arent so union friendly either.
 
I concede the Clinton point (best Republican President we have ever had), but this is not a race between Clinton and McCain.

P.S. Ya I know Bill was actually a Dem, so please...
 
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And to further illustrate the point..

McCain blasts pilots for adding to air delays

September 14, 2000
Web posted at: 12:23 PM EDT (1623 GMT)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Senate Commerce Committee Chairman John McCain blasted airline pilots Thursday for what he called their greed and role in exacerbating gridlock in U.S. skies.
McCain, a Navy pilot shot down over Vietnam, accused pilots at UAL Corp.'s United Airlines of carrying out "work stoppages to satisfy their personal greed" and noted a sickout by pilots at AMR Corp.'s American Airlines last year.
He said many parties, including the Federal Aviation Administration and Congress, needed to shoulder the blame for aviation congestion. But he singled out airline pilots for his toughest criticism, going so far as to question their patriotism.
"This year, more than ever, airline employees have caused enormous delays," said McCain, opening a hearing on air travel delays.
"And you know what saddens me the most? A large number of these pilots are former military whose code is supposed to be 'duty, honor, country,'" said McCain, who was held prisoner in Vietnam for five-and-a-half years.
"Now they take action without a thought for the Americans that rely on them to ferry their families across the country for a family vacation, attend a wedding or be at the side of a sick relative."
Pilots defend themselves

Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) President Duane Woerth quickly voiced outrage at McCain's comments. "We don't take a patriotic back seat to anybody," Woerth told Reuters at the hearing.
During difficult contract talks this summer, United pilots often refused overtime, causing the airline to cancel thousands of flights and leaving passengers scrambling to make alternative arrangements.
The problems at United, the world's largest airline, combined with severe thunderstorms in major U.S. flight lanes led to record delays this summer, final numbers are expected to show.
Fewer flights have been canceled since a tentative contract deal was reached late last month. ALPA has denied there was any orchestrated pilot action.
McCain also contrasted pilots' salaries with those of other Americans, comparing the 1998 per capita income of $20,120 with the $342,000 per year that top pilots at United would make by 2004 under the tentative contract.
The plain-speaking McCain said Congress had probably contributed to delays by passing pork-barrel legislation that gave money to smaller airports in lawmakers' districts at the expense of the largest airports that carry the most passengers.
He said the FAA's air traffic control modernization program had failed to keep up with the sharp rise in passengers, with 635 million people flying last year compared with 278 million in 1978, when the airline system was deregulated.
 
I went to the McCain website to look at his healthcare proposal. It appears that you only get the tax credit if you actually purchase your own health insurance, and in that case the money goes directly to health insurer. Since these days a good health insurance policy for a family will cost you at least $1100 per month, I don't foresee many folks with a family and or advanced age giving up their company plan for the self insure option. The perverse effect of this however will be for the young, single, healthy individuals to leave the company plans thereby increasing the costs for those that remain in the company plans. A good example of this is what has happened to the pilot health insurance plan at Delta Airlines where the retired folks were put in a separate risk pool (payback for many of those folks taking the lump sum and contributing to the elimination of the defined benefit plan) with significantly higher premiums. In response to Gunfyter, I estimate that the average Netjets captain makes $130000 a year so his/her SS tax would go up approx $1700 under the Obama plan (6.2% SS tax times $13000-$102000).


Everyone gets the tax credit and:

Making the Tax Subsidy Fair: By making the tax code more equitable and transparent, John McCain will give every family a refundable tax credit – cash towards insurance – of $5,000 (Individuals receive$2,500). Every family in America, regardless of the source of their insurance or how much they make will get the same help. Families will be able to stay with their current plan, or choose the insurance provider that suits them best and have the money sent directly to the insurance provider.​
So unless you are in a higher than 25% marginal tax bracket or receive more than $20K in benefits ... you are better off with McCain's plan.

This does not pull down people who work where benefits are provided but helps people where benefits are not provided.​
 
Look at Sarah Palin. She is a woman and is easily the most qualified person on either ticket.

Wow. I'm speechless. I know the post I quoted this from is seven days old, but if you believed this then (and especially now after this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg), you should have your ATP stripped and be subject to psychological evaluation by the FAA.
 
Exactamundo. Which is why The Messiah is a LIAR when he says he's only going to raise taxes on those making more than $250,000
Yep...

Everyone over $102K is getting a tax increase because of removing the FICA cap.

Would be a $4200 increase for me this year....

So I vote for Obama he takes $4200 from me ... and he gives it to People in the 40% who do not pay ANY taxes in a tax credit. A tax cut for people who do not pay taxes.

You know I was going to vote for Bob Barr ... But I am starting to look at McCain a little now.

Obama and Biden should dress up in green tights and sing "We're men, we're men in tights" and dance through Sherwood Forest.
 
I pay $4200 more under Obama than McCain per year.

This is due to Obama raising the cap on Social Security taxes. So if you make more than $102K ... this calculator does not include the extra SS taxes you will pay.... Which will be another 3 to 6 K per year for the average NJ captain.

Eehhhmmm, that has already taken effect. The max social security tax for 2008 is $102,000. Expect it to rise indefinately. The last tax cut I would expect in any administration is a cut in payroll taxes. Hell, even Reagan increased those!
 
Now it rises with inflation. Tomorrow it rises to infinity.

And Obama gives MY $4200... to people in a Tax rebate ... who do not pay Federal income taxes at all!

I would love to ask Mr Obama about this in a Town Hall meeting with Senator McCain. Why should I give my money to people who don't pay taxes?


I can't see voting for that.
 
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Absolutely!! McCain will prevail!

You're dreaming, amigo. The debate was the last nail in the coffin.

People were only looking to be reassured that Obummer isn't a totally empty suit (even though I think he is) and at least looks the part. The answers were unimportant. He looked the part and will move enough wavering democrats off the fence to carry the right states.

Because of his HUGE support in the urban centers, Obama will carry the popular vote by a much wider margin than the electoral college but he will win, nonetheless.

Gunfyter, I was going to vote for Bob Barr as well and I may go back to him now since I think Obama is a lock. I also live in a "toss-up" swing state.

Every once in a while, the country needs to be reminded how ruinous high taxes AND high spending can be to the economy. We've had one without the other for the last 8 years of a RINO president and it has brought us to the brink. Add high taxes, and we'll go right off the cliff. Then, maybe in four years we'll figure it out and elect a tax-cutting, BUDGET-CUTTING, personal freedom loving, constitutionalist president AND congress and make some fundamental reform.
 
Wow. I'm speechless. I know the post I quoted this from is seven days old, but if you believed this then (and especially now after this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg), you should have your ATP stripped and be subject to psychological evaluation by the FAA.

Ok that link didn't work, but here is a good one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PwQdzpMdEI&feature=related

Look guys, this woman is so far out of her depth that it isn't funny anymore. If we put her one heart beat away from the Presidency (consider McCain's age), we do so at our peril.
 
I would submit that many of us on the forum are union pilots and as such our own personal self interests are closely tied to our unions abilities to represent us effectively. An analysis of McCain's record, when focused specifically on his opinions with regard to unions reflects that he has been adversarial to us. Those of us who have flown him also know that he has never displayed any love for pilots. I ask that each of you consider that a vote for this man is a vote for an anti-union agenda...

Pilots are caught between a rock and a hard spot on this issue. Especially for those in private aviation and to a slightly lessor extent those in the airline industry, our jobs depend on the spending that wealthy people do. If they decide they don't need that corperate jet or that first class ticket, then there will be less jobs. If a company needs to reduce cost because taxes and government regulations have placed a burden on the bottom line, maybe the travel budget gets cut. Without jobs, unions have no reason to exist. There is no doubt that McCain has a record that would be considered anti-union. The question that needs to be asked is whether a uniion actually creates any jobs. I think the relationship that NJ and NJ pilots have is one to be envied. With that relationship, why would you care what McCain's position is on unions?
 
And Obama gives MY $4200... to people in a Tax rebate ... who do not pay Federal income taxes at all!

How about this: all the Republicans' money goes to pay for the war your boy got us into, and all the Democrats' money goes to the entitlements that they got us into.

Your $4200 can go exclusively to repay the cost of one half of one second of the war.

Feel better now? ;)
 

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