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What kind of experience do people have with WIA funding for 737 type ratings? From my research it is not just for unemployed, but also for low-income individuals. Sad commentary on the industry, but I fall under the low-income range for the state of Florida, even as a regional airline captain. Any employed, but low-income, individuals have any experience with this? Thanks in advance.
 
I received WIA funds while being employed. I was working construction, but also furloughed. Not sure what the specifics are for your state, but it worked. I'd check it out.

Good luck
 
I was able to get 3,000. from the WIA to cover what my GI Bill wouldn't, I was furloughed and I also did not have an ATP, I explained to them that without the ATP I wouldn't have a chance at finding employment with the stiff competition out there, and the most cost effective way to get the ATP was to get the 737 Type Rating because there are no ATP only GI Bill approved programs.

I did my type at Higher Power, give them a call, Sandy at 800jetcrew can probably answer your questions.
 
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For Snoopy1 and LaunchPad: What states are you guys from? I have got a dismal response from my local WorkForce Commission on WIA, been working it for 4 weeks and can't even get them to call me back (4 different people passing the buck). Seems to be a completely disorganized CF at my local level (they seem clueless when I talk to them about it) and even the state coordinator pushed me off in her email. I've mentioned HP and KS as approved WIA sites, but it goes nowhere. PM is ok if you like -- I'd even take your state/local POC and call them to break the logjam!

Did Sandy do any coordination for you?

Thanks
 
"I have got a dismal response from my local WorkForce Commission on WIA"

Try contacting HPA. They seem to have all the answers and a REALLY good handle on how to make things happen for WIA.

I went there for my type in early 2002 and was very impressed with their product.

I went through Pa if that helps.
 
MK82Man,

What state are you in, here is a site that has all of the states approved WIA programs http://www.careeronestop.org/WiaProviderSearch.asp

I didn't have much of a problem getting money from Michigan once I said my GI Bill would cover 60 percent, not sure if it was because I served my country or if it was just the fact of having 60 percent myself.

Anyway I went to the WIA office and dropped about 50 pages of job openings on the desk of the WIA manager that either required an ATP or a 737 type rating that I printed from the internet. This is when they started to help.

I also printed out AirTrans order for 100 737's and gave that to them to and said they're going to need to hire some pilots to fly those 100 jets. The only problem I'm having is the 737 type isn't doing me a whole hell of a lot of good because I don't have any multi turbine PIC time. So I'm going to have to go to a regional and stay for a while to build some captian time, hopefully some day I will be able to put the 737 type to use.
 
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How would I go about getting WIA funds? Would I be eligible as an out of work airtanker pilot?
 
WIA Criteria

414Flyer said:
How would I go about getting WIA funds? Would I be eligible as an out of work airtanker pilot?

That depends on the criteria that I will list below. Of course, the best thing is to contact your local workforce investment office. They are government, so look in the blue pages of the phone book or do a search online for Workforce Investment or One Stop Career Shop in your state.

WORKFORCE INVESTMENT ACT INFORMATION

BACKGROUND:

The Workforce Investment Act of 1998 is a Federally Funded program, administered at the State Level. It replaces the Job Training Partnership Act. The Governor and Workforce Development Councils may establish state and local policies and procedures for One-Stop operators to use in determining individual eligibility for dislocated worker services that must be consistent with the definition at Section 101(9) of the Workforce Investment Act (WIA). 20 CFR 663.115

Eligibility for services are as follows:

DEFINITIONS:

Substantial layoff „o Notice of termination or layoff of 25%, or fifty (50) of a company's workforce which is not the result of a plant closing and which results in an employment loss at a single site of employment during any 30-day period.

General announcement of plant closing „o Plant status as confirmed by written notice from employer or layoff or termination; WARN notice; newspaper article; documentation that disaster necessitated business closure or layoff; foreclosure notice; self-certification in absence of other documents (must include reason why other documentation is unavailable). WIA Section 101 (9) (B) (ii)

Unemployed as a result of general economic conditions „o General economic conditions can include the failure, closure or substantial layoffs in one or more businesses in the community that had a direct effect on the individual's unemployment.

Unlikely to return to a previous industry or occupation „o Status of an unemployed worker as having limited opportunities for employment or re-employment. This could include personal and/or confidential information that needs to be determined on a case-by-case basis. Examples include but are not limited to:

1. The industry and/or occupation are in decline or the job has become obsolete.

2. The individual is not able to re-locate to an area that has jobs in demand for which s/he is qualified.

3. The individual is not able to work in another capacity in the occupational area from which s/he was dislocated because of physical or mental limitations. An individual may have started out in an industry performing physically or mentally demanding jobs but is no longer capable of performing the essential requirements of the job.

(This can include individuals in the airline industry, information technology, and even self-employed individuals, but all determinations are made on a case by case basis)

POLICY:

There are two categories of dislocated workers who may be eligible to receive intensive and/or training services:

1. Unemployed dislocated workers who have received at least one core service and have been unable to obtain employment through core services and who are determined to need intensive and/or trainings services to obtain employment.

2. Employed dislocated workers who are not earning a self-sufficient wage as defined by the PMWDC and who have received at least one self-service core service and have been determined to need intensive and/or trainings services to obtain employment that leads to self-sufficiency.

There is no federal, state or locally required minimum amount of time that a participant must spend in core or intensive services.

ELIGIBILITY:

Dislocated workers must meet certain requirements.

1. US Citizen¡¦s, Permanent Resident Aliens, refugees, asylees, and parolees, and other immigrants authorized to work in the U.S.

2. Must be registered with Selective Service if applicable. Must not be in violation of the Military Selective Service Act.

3. Must meet the criteria for 3A (General Dislocation), 3B (Plant Closure), 3C (180 Notice), 3D (Public Notice), 3E (Self Employed), or 3F (Displaced Homemaker).


ELIGIBILITY DOCUMENTATION PROCEDURE:

To register an individual into a WIA dislocated worker funded activity, Program Operators shall follow these steps to ensure that a correct determination has been made as defined in WIA Section 101 (9).

Step 1 „o Complete an application and obtain signatures as appropriate.

Step 2 „o Complete the Eligibility Verification Form Copies of supporting documentation must be filed behind this form and the application in a participant file.

Step 3 „o A staff person, other than the one who completed the application and initial
eligibility, shall review the application, supporting documentation and the Eligibility Verification Form and shall validate whether a correct determination has been made.
 
Thanks. Looks like I should be able to get something with it, based on what you have listed.
 
414Flyer said:
Thanks. Looks like I should be able to get something with it, based on what you have listed.

Were you part of the layoff with the Forest Service? I would definately think you would be qualified for it if you were. I would suggest getting hooked up with unemployment. They seem to be more eager to talk to you and get things moving if you are taking money from them! :)

Kathy
 
Yes, USFS abruptly cancelled the large airtanker contracts last monday afternoon.
 
Go get signed up with unemployment. Then go down and meet with someone at the One Stop Career Shops as they are usually the ones who administer the WIA funds. (every state is different)

Good luck to you!

Kathy
 
I got WIA to fund 100% of the HPA tuition for a 737 Type. I had to get an eligibility for unemployment certificate from the State of Fla. I don't think that is an actual requirement of WIA, but the Tampa, FL office wanted it. The verification took about a week to get. I also downloaded SWA's 737 requirement for pilot jobs.

Again, I used the Tampa Office and spoke with Ms Geneva Carter. Her number is 813-930-7519. She even told me that she had funded people from different states. I think her budget is runnung at close to empty until after Sept??? You might also check different states as I think it is Federal Money administered throught he states.

Good Luck...
 
Simple approach

The red tape involved in this program is like an iceberg...you only see a small part of it but it is the other 90% that will sink you & keep you from reaching your goal.

Make it simple, if you're desire is to get a 737 type contact Sandy at Higher Power Aviation at 1-800-Jetcrew. If you don't want a 737 she can provide you some great advice on how to work some of the hoops. She & the folks at HPA have become acquainted on a first name basis with most of the administrators in all the participating states and can run the gauntlet for you.

I'm not privy to all the various rules and regulations....most pilots aren't even after reading the fine print but Sandy & her team are. Don't delay the call, she'll have answers & usually positive ones for you.

One caveat, with the fiscal year rapidly approaching the earlier comment about the money running out soon is probably true in some states as this has been a tough year for pilots (since 911, no duh chase!!!) so don't be surprised if it maybe too late for this year but don't be discouraged...1 Oct will be here before you know it & if you're first in line & jump through the hoops you will be ready to go when more money shows up. Good luck in your quest and again, GIVE SANDY A CALL....TELL HER CHASE SAID HI!!!
 
Thanks for all of your help. This has been a pretty frustrating week for me, seeing my dream job just ripped out from under me, and all the other plans in life that I had been working on.

Hopefully the tanker situation will be fixed, but I gotta start working on the alternatives.
 
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