Why no American operators of the BAE - 146?

[PhatAJ2008]

Why are there no American Operators of the BAE - 146? Is it a good airplane?

 

[CA1900]

Because it has five gas-guzzling APUs? :laugh:

 

[trimpuller]

Because it has five gas-guzzling APUs? :laugh:

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA

 

[dispatchguy]

Yeah, plus it was so slow it could barely get out of its own shadow - but, it was the perfect plane for operating into Aspen CO

 

[N1atEcon]

it was the perfect plane for operating into Aspen CO

And that is about all it is good for in the US.

 

[LearLove]

because it didn't line the pockets of management

 

[PhatAJ2008]

How could it be so slow with four engines?

 

[cocknbull]

Because it has five gas-guzzling APUs? :laugh:

It is 4 APUs and a hair dryer!

 

[udaman]

The main speed restriction of the BAe/Avro was due to the design of the wing (so I was told).... .70 was Vmo for the 200 and .73 for the 300 (146 version that is). It had to power to go faster in cruise...but thats about it. It was a pig on a hot summer day....I remeber going ORD to SYR and finally leveling at 280 around Detroit (that is fully loaded). You could also forget about making the 3 by 5 , 4 by 8 outa Ord in the summer fully loaded. Besides that it was an awsome aircraft to fly!

 

[zoohead]

It is the only aircraft known to have birdstikes into the rear end...that's how slow they were....

Oh yeah, and the brits over-engineered them way too much, renowed for going U/S

 

[Whale Rider]

Because BAE stands for "Bring Another Engine!" :laugh:

 

[ATLboeing]

Say all you want, I loved it and miss it
But you're right, not very practical for airports around here, except Aspen. Lots of airports in the UK where it comes in handy...and the queen loves it.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Seeing how we burned almost as much fuel as an A-320 with less than half the people while flying over a tenth of a mach slower........
Great, comfortable airplane for the passengers and crew but other than flying to Aspen it wasn't practical in the USA.
But hey we were faster in cruise than the CE-500 and DO-328Jet.

 

[N1atEcon]

I loved all the noises in the back when the flaps were extended. Wrrrrrrrrrrrrrr , clunk, rorrrrr, roooorrrrrr wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr click click wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Infrequent flyers were thinking they were going to meet their maker. But you have to hand it to the Brits they really over engineer stuff. Look at the Hawkers. That one EJA 800 took out a glider in Miden ( i think), and flew back to a runway. Poor Japanese guy had to parachute into the forrest.

 

[tie1on]

the problem is , it came with 5 apu and a bus fault.

 

[Britpilot]

I loved all the noises in the back when the flaps were extended. Wrrrrrrrrrrrrrr , clunk, rorrrrr, roooorrrrrr wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr click click wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Infrequent flyers were thinking they were going to meet their maker. But you have to hand it to the Brits they really over engineer stuff.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::beer:


That's funny they did sound just like that.

 

[a320drivr]

I heard a conversion is being worked on. removal of the 4 apu's and hanging 2 CFM 56's in place.

 

[LR25]

how bout 6 cj-610's?

 

[flyin4jsus]

Thanks to United and GoJets!

 

[DenverCrashpad]

It was definately the most comfortable "Regional Jet." I'm not sure of the specific dimensions, but I remember the seats being wider than the CRJ's/Erj's with a 3-3 configuration. I'd guess the fueselage was close in width to the 737. (?)

 

[udaman]

It was 1 inch wider than the MD-80/DC-9

 

[PhatAJ2008]

It was 1 inch wider than the MD-80/DC-9

...Wow. Did many private operators or individuals buy any of them?

 

[xjhawk]

BAE, the only aircraft maker who can make an underpowered A/C with four engines. That said I am sure it will be my favorite aircraft I will ever fly for the airlines. It was soooooo nice

 

[BLing]

A few of them have made their way to Africa. I used to talk to ex Air Whiskey guys all the time on the ramp throughout Central Africa. Its a great airplane over there because they are cheap to get, bullet proof and the price of fuel means nothing to the airlines. They look sexy with the Congolese Flag painted on the tail ;-)

 

[propsarebest]

There is one (a -300) being converted into a firebomber too...

 

[Jetjockey]

Ok, do you know why it had 4 engines????

Because they could not fit 6!

Say what you want, I loved the AVR-146. Slow, but comfortable. My favorite was doing Mach .70 out of HPN in the flow west bound with NY ARTCC, always good fun.

 

[pilotpm]

4 fires held together by hydraulic leaks going backwards in a stiff headwind!:laugh:

 

[stlflyguy]

How could it be so slow with four engines?

Liken it to someone saying that their car has four wheel drive even though each wheel is driven by a Cox .049 .

stlflyguy

 

[whymeworry?]

I always wanted to fly the BAE-146. After a contract I did for Parc in the late 90s, I was returning to my airline whom I had taken leave from. Parc wanted me to keep working for them. They asked if there was any contract that I'd be interested in to keep me... offered me 747/ A340 type stuff, etc. I told them, I want to fly the Avro RJ. Huh? Yep, if ya' can't find me a gig on that plane then I'll just go back to my airline. And back I went. They weren't able to get me a job on one without time on type.

How is the cockpit on the 146? Looks comfortable.

 

[Jetjockey]

It was way more comfortable than a 737, or even a DC-9 as I recall. Of course they were brand new AVR-146s fresh from the factory.